And now we know the underlying reason..

[SunsetBengal]

(02-12-2017, 02:54 PM)Dill Wrote: Sunset, I need a little help with this.

What I hear the climate scientists saying is that because of the potentially disastrous effects of climate change, we need to change the way we extract and burn carbons for energy.

I.e., climate change science drives their energy policy.

What I hear you and West saying is that climate scientists want to change the way the economy works so they invented a scary story about global warming.

I.e., desired energy policy drives their climate change science.  

How does stating the policy reconsideration that ought to follow what science tells us about climate change suddenly flip the cause/effect relation here? You are saying that climate scientists from many different nationalities and social/political have for generations been trying to change our politics with their scary story and now one has suddenly "slipped"? The cat is out of the bag?

You also state:

However, if you look around the glorious internet, you will find that many of these "scientists" are fabricating data, based on "projections".  A few of them have come to acknowledge the error of their fraudulent ways, and spill the beans. 

Could you perhaps provide some links to your sources here?

I confess I often do look around the internet, but I don't find reliable links to "scientists" fabricating data based upon "projections." Though I do find non-scientists of a certain political persuasion claiming this. And I do find the extraction industry funding "counter-science" to muddy the policy discussion.

Check out this 1998 memo from Joe Walker, who headed Exxon Mobil's task force on global climate change, a public relations blitz designed to convince journalists, politicians, HS science teachers, and the public that the jury was still out on climate change and so Kyoto style policy changes should be avoided.

https://insideclimatenews.org/sites/default/files/documents/Global%20Climate%20Science%20Communications%20Plan%20(1998).pdf

And all this AFTER Exxonmobile knew, from its own research, that climate change was anthropogenic. https://insideclimatenews.org/news/15092015/Exxons-own-research-confirmed-fossil-fuels-role-in-global-warming

Is it your view that scientists have an "agenda" while Exxon and BP are just ordinary folks who want to provide jobs for hardworking Americans if the socialists will just get out of their way?

I'll admit that this started out as a half-drunken shit post, solely for the purpose of stirring up some amusement.

However, I found a lengthy list of Scientists, both dead and live, who disagree with the Climate Change theory in one facet or another.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming


Then there was this email scandal, of HRC type proportions.  This was mostly downplayed by American mainstream media, as it was during the height of the Obama years, and because Al Gore..

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/11/23/climategate-2-0-new-e-mails-rock-the-global-warming-debate/#1541b336988d


But fortunately, these stories get much more play in the UK.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/climatechange/10310712/Top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/26/scientists-finally-admit-climate-models-are-failing-to-predict-global-warming/

There are plenty more articles, I just put a few out there to show.