European Muslim Hate Poll

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(02-15-2017, 03:13 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: I myself see no reason to take them in as citizens or with the same rights as citizens.

I don't think there's much disagreement here. We don't give them much citizen rights, they can't vote, often aren't allowed to take a job, are not entitled for social services. When we feel ultra-nice, we try to give them a roof over their head. And maybe 100-150 Euros a month so they can get medicine, clothings or whatever other luxury they need. Are the US much different?

It usually takes 10 years before a citizenship is a possibility. (Unless they are really good in swimming or hurdling or whatever else could possibily result in an Olympic medal.)

A vast amount of our right-wing voters, though, truely believe the state gives every refugee a brandnew smartphone. 

(02-15-2017, 03:24 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Find me any group that has a tendency to produce people who will blow themselves up in markets, or train stations, or drive trucks through crowds, or planes through buildings, decapitate people on the internet, etc) and you'll find people who won't want them near them. I've known plenty of Muslim people who were quite pleasant, but if you keep having people doing horrible things for their religion, it is not going to matter. 

That is certainly true, although one needs to be careful there. Applying the same proportionality, one could with the same right claim Belgians are prone to child molesting or Austrians are strongly suspicious to lock their daughters in cellars and have a bunch of kids with them.

(02-15-2017, 03:35 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I will say this, there is a push in Germany that is really bringing SPD into the forefront. SPD is the center-left party of the country (CDU/CSU is the center-right, and the party of Merkel). CDU has been losing ground, but SPD has seen a sharp rise since Martin Schulz threw his hat into the Chancellorship race. Based on polling, it also looks like there may be a few seats going to the AfD, but we will likely see the SPD and CDU join together in a coalition again to beat off the right-wingers handily as it will garner them over 60% int he Bundestag. There is definitely a wave of this nationalistic sentiment that exists, but it's not as strong as polls like what we see here would have us believe.

I don't think Schulz will win the election. He will do better than they did before him, though. Have you ever come across Schulz' predecessor? Sigmar Gabriel, total disaster as Trump would, in this case rightfully, say. I can honestly say I would have been a better candidate, and probably most people.

And sure, AfD will get some seats. But that's the irony. The only country not too susceptible to right-wing populism is Germany, of all countries.
In my country and many others (but especially in mine, we are always font runners there) the picture looks a lot different. Our nationalistic right-wingers will in all probability be the strongest force after our next election.