02-16-2017, 04:43 PM
(02-16-2017, 04:11 PM)hollodero Wrote: OK.
But wouldn't Pence nominate a Vice president of his own? One that would follow him after he got removed. Except if both men get removed at once, of course. In which case, OK. I once heard the speaker of the house would overtake if president and ice-president were unavailable at the same time (because of attacks or whatever emergency). I did not know the rule also applies if all of them get impeached.
Wouldn't new presidential elections follow if both men were impeached, though? No one ever voted Ryan into office, him running the show for several years anyway would seem, well, strange from a democratic standpoint. But I don't know, just wondering.
(And I see more and more signs that Trump won't stay in office, that I consider to be realistic. I am not so sure about Pence, though, as far as I know he didn't do anything legally wrong so far.)
Well. as of now, I focus on what's confirmed. In this article there are many "rumored" things and speculations. That very well might be credibly confirmed at some point, I think that is quite likely. At which point I won't be surprised and take these allegiations as a given. Right now, I still won't, though.
As you said, this is a very biased source. There's one point I agree with Trump defenders, I do not trust your media too much as well, especially when they report on unconfirmed stuff. Hardly any European does. (But not so much because they are red or blue, but generally very, say, "pro-america".)
And one more thing, this whole "Hillary was the victim of biased investigation" thing mentioned in the beginning is not really the whole truth to me. Even sympathizers have to admit that this whole using a private server thing was a severe violation and not just a minor human blunder. That oppositional forces will overstate that is to be expected; every political opponent would gladly use it.
The ties of Trump to Russia, of course, seem pretty evident by now.
"Our media" covers a lot. I don't trust some media, e.g. Breitbart, as they report demonstrably false things and have a clear agenda. Other sources are credible. I was going to point out that Nixon and Agnew left in concert resignations in 1973, leading to Speaker of the House Gerald Ford becoming President, but alas I was wrong. Ford did not move from Speaker to the Oval Office, as I implied in another post. Due to the corruption in Nixon's White House I believe the timeline went like this:
Watergate scandal broke in the news, Agnew resigned as VP, Ford installed as VP, Impeachment Hearings of Nixon initiated, and Nixon resigned. Sorry for not remembering that Agnew jumped ship early while Tricky Dick held on until he new he was going to be removed,
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
