Hell just froze over.

[Aquapod770]

(02-19-2017, 10:53 AM)xxlt Wrote: Look at a time line of history. Put your finger down anywhere. Defeat of fascism in WWII. Women getting the vote. Abolition of slavery. American Revolution. Jesus. Aristotle... Yeah, facts have a well known liberal bias that history keeps slowly bearing out. I am not surprised many don't see it. Some people still see and know how the sun moves around the earth. All good.

Are we talking classically liberal? Because if so you may have an argument. Progressives on the other hand, are about as far away from classically liberal as you can get without throwing people into gulag camps. 

But for SnG's I'll go through your list:

1. Defeat of fascism in WWII

Congrats. The Soviet Union was the biggest reason for the fall of Hitler. It's not like Stalin and his far left ideology went on to kill 20 million people (mostly his own citizens) but it's all good cuz he wasn't racist. People always seem to forget the important lesson here. Authoritarianism is bad m'kay.

2. Women's suffrage

"U.S. Representative James R. Mann (1856-1922), a Republican from Illinois and chairman of the Suffrage Committee, proposed the House resolution to approve the Susan Anthony Amendment granting women the right to vote."
http://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/19th-amendment

3. Abolition of Slavery

Again. Repubs.

4. American Revolution

That's about as classically liberal as you can get. I'll give you that one if you're talking about being classic liberalism, but we both know you're not.

5. Jesus

I didn't know you considered Jesus Christ to be a "fact", but good to know. Jesus loves you xxlt.

6. Aristotle

Feel free to read through this if you'd like, but I'd like to point out the title says "Aristotle's Political Theory" not "Aristotle's Political Fact"
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-politics/



Now I know this is coming, "but the parties switched!!!!" so here is my last thought. The parties didn't really switch as many like to claim. They evolved with time. Unfortunately both sides of the isle are rapidly evolving towards their own brand of authoritarianism. I hope for a day when we can go back to being classically liberal. Don't see it happening anytime soon though.