07-29-2015, 08:56 AM
(07-28-2015, 06:49 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: From the ABC article you listed:
"The five voters who placed Luck in the second tier cited a few reasons. Some thought Luck needed to do a better job protecting the football. Others pointed to Luck's underwhelming resume in the postseason. Luck also benefits from playing in a weak division."
There are other sources who agree that Luck is not quite top 4 yet, including:
the Indianapolis Star (you'd think they'd be biased) - http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/2015/07/17/nfl-qb-ranks-andrew-luck-aaron-rodgers-peyton-manning-drew-brees-tom-brady/30294161/
USA Today - http://sportswire.usatoday.com/2015/07/17/qb-rank-nfl-quarterbacks-rankings/
Fansided - http://fansided.com/2015/06/20/nfl-quarterback-power-rankings/5/
Some might view Luck as a top 4 guy already. I respect that, but I think it's it a bit early for that. Rodgers, Brady, Peyton and Brees all posted phenomenal stats last year and they're all proven in the playoffs. As much grief as Peyton takes for choking, he took the Broncos to the SB just a couple seasons ago. Luck has been pretty bad in the playoffs to be honest.
It's my opinion that he's not top 4 yet, and it's not a ridiculous opinion. Some have him in there, some don't. Both sides have valid points.
I find it interesting that for some reason you quoted a part of the article I posted even though it doesn't go against my point whatsoever. 5 of the 35 (14%) of the voters put Luck out of the 1st tier. That means that 86% put Luck in tier 1, that's sort of proving my point, no? Brady and Rodgers were the only unanimous 1st tier QBs, so using the logic that 5 voters put Luck out of the 1st tier somehow goes against what I've been saying, that means that Brees and Manning aren't 1st tier either. The fact is, the other 30 guys must have ranked Luck awfully high for him to still end up as number 3 (the highest average vote for any non-unanimous 1st tier QB), and if you read the quotes, there are at the very least, a couple of those polled that put Luck at #1 even ahead of Rodgers.
As far as your links go, I must apologize, but I'll take the opinion of NFL personnel directors, GMs, coaches, and coordinators over a random newspaper or two and a blog I've never heard of.
I can't bash the other elite QBs for having good teams because it's not really their fault, but you have to be impressed that Luck turned a shitty team into an immediate contender. That's what elite QBs do, and that's exactly what he did.
There is a lot of opinion involved, and we can agree to disagree on the matter, but as I said before, there are more reputable sources that list Luck in the top 4 opposed to the ones listing him outside of it. I don't know if it's a "ridiculous opinion" that he's not top 4, but there are clearly more people in the football world that agree with my perspective, but their word isn't gospel either.
Hell, I disagree with a lot of the NFL Top 100 players, and that's voted on by NFL guys, albeit players and not coaches and personnel directors, but it's at least a similar situation. All is good.
