With Merkel's Foes in Disarray, Germany Defies the Trump Trend

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(04-27-2017, 04:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This is total BS.  This discussion has been had all across the country.  It has been all over the news.  How can you claim this discussion has "not even seen the lioght of day".

And here is what it boils down to.  A certain group wants to treat Muslims differently than other religious groups.  They want them subject to registration and public surveillance that would not be allowed on other religions.  You want to violate their right to wroship freely despite the fact that they are breaking absolutely no laws of our country.

Every religious person places his religious beliefs above the "law of man", and every religious person who breaks the "law of the land" should be punished.  But we have millions of Muslims living peacefully in this country.  They should not have their rights violated because of their religious beliefs.

Should every Christian who objected to gay marriage based on religious beliefs be subject to registration and heightened surveillance?

Acting like any discussion has been silenced is disingenuous.  The discussion has been had and not one person from the left supported the objectionable aspects of radical Islam.  The only thing the left objected to was violating the rights of millions of law abiding Muslims living peacefully in this country.  You are free to discuss all of the nest elements of Islam that you want.  No one will object to that.  But you will get plenty of protest when you try to violate the rights of innocent people who do not live or abide by those principles.

I can see why you may have misunderstood the point of my post.  The discussion that you refer to is "why are we banning immigration from Libya, Egypt, ...." with the EO put forth by Trump.  The discussion I'm referring to is "what do Muslims in different parts of the world believe", and how do those beliefs affect the Western world, and should we have these beliefs hibernating in the West?  Should we criticize these beliefs or should we pretend that they do not exist, i.e. if they actually exist?  


The rest of your post about violating rights of Muslims in this country is completely irrelevant to my post once you understand the context of what the above paragraph states.  Nowhere in my posts was the violation or restriction of religious freedom of U.S. citizens discussed so I'm just not going to reply to that part of the post.  

Just so you understand my position: it's not persecution of Muslims to ask if certain aspects of their belief system (and I mean individual cultures and nations, not the religion as a whole), are compatible with the foundation of the west and to take a nuanced approach to whether we should allow those beliefs into the country or not? This is not the same as subjecting any group to registration and surveillance.