Adieu Accord de Paris

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(06-01-2017, 06:10 PM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: How do you guys made this complete tool your president ?

I still can't believe it.

You're gonna take a 15 years step back on the energies of the future to bring back coal ...



I can even imagine his words. Paris deal was bad. Very bad.

What a clown. There are 7 billions people here on Earth smarter than this guy.

Finally, another European around here giving his opinion. Now people can see how restrained I've been :)

I entered this special board with quite a similar question in mind. How could the US, of all countries, fall for the alt-right which can't quite get there in Western Europe, not even in my country. I wanted to gain an unique perspective on that, from people rather then our media. This board is quite the fine microcosm for American society.
The answer to your question is, I believe, very complex, but I will try to sum up my findings in an oversimplifying manner: He is not a "liberal", and that's that. His voters would accept anyone, really anyone, he could beat up people, be pro-child molestation, wrapped up in a swastika, doesn't matter. As Trump himself said: He could shoot someone in the streets and would not lose support. That wasn't just a funny saying, he was dead serious about that, and quite right. Everything's better than a liberal.
It's what a two-party system obviously does to political people (unless they happen to be libertarians).
In three years time, liberal voters will feel the same, they would gladly vote for Anthony Weiner too, or anyone who isn't Republican. Half the population doesn't care about politics any more, the other half is deeply politicized, and everything is. Every stance is. Violence is condemned when coming from the other side, but a politician from the right side laying hand on a reporter isn't a big deal. Which is not a stinger, just the truth. Everything's politicized. Even logic, facts and truth. All subordinate to political perspective. The way you and I see Trump, people with a certain perspective just can't see him and never will.

We Europeans have to see the US as it is - a non-reliable partner we can and should not trust. We need to grow apart, and quickly. Meaning we need a stronger military, a stronger EU. We relied on America for way too long, believing they will stay stable and reasonable and our friends. A thought to be dismissed rapidly too.

The US pulling out of the Paris agreement might end up being a good thing for the world, for said reason. It's also one of the few things I really can't quite forgive the American right. Denying climate change, despite all the facts, all the visible signs, all the experts' opinions isn't conservative politics, it's reactionary wishful phantasy politics - and quite unique in the world.