06-05-2017, 05:17 PM
Wow.
You mean it's irritating that they had their own wishes and even talked about them. How dare these idiots.
Oh damn.
Contributions to the agreement were all voluntary. Including yours. You weren't legally bound to do anything. You just agreed on acknowledging the problem, along with the rest of the world. Is it a pointless agreement then? Maybe, maybe not. But just leaving it and then throwing out all these kinds of misinformation about obligations and how the world was laughing at you and whatnot, that's just ignorant, that's nothing more as not having captured the very idea in the first place.
There were no obligations. If you wouldn't have met any of the ones you chose, the other countries could have been angry at you, with a reason to be sour for you broke your word. That's all repercussions there were to face. Don't be surprised that you're facing them right now.
Here's what's so amazing about this. It's so self-centric, as a country, it's astonishing. Noooo, it was all about the US, about all the other mean countries taking advantage of us, everybody in this world always only wants to cross the US, they all collude to do so. When talking climate change, they all only have scamming the US in their dirty foreign minds.
Here's some information, not everybody has such an americacentric worldview than you do.
About the warming itself, the greatest overall contributor is the US, historically speaking. With quite a margin. Right now, it's China, sure. Not that that's a good thing on their part, of course.
Good for you, means you're not a BS'er.
This (and I don't know if that holds some scientific merit) doesn't tell us anything about the current situation. A sharp rise in CO2 levels like the current one is unprecedented. Your conclusion based on very vague ice dates isn't compelling at all. Even if CO2 usually always reacted naturally, doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be a driver for warming. You might think about that old "there's always a first time" saying.
The cooling stage, I won't comment until I have a source for that. I never heard anything about that which wasn't already widely debunked.
Yep, that is true. And that should actually scare you.
Now I don't know exactly, but if you think our current rise of CO2 levels stems from a warming and the oceans reacting to that warming by gassing out CO2, you're wrong. It can be shown quite clearly that the additional CO2 in the atmosphere stems from fossil fuels.
If you think warming and CO2 levels aren't correlated directly, you're also wrong. The greenhouse effect is quite real, the contribution of CO2 is also a fact. If it weren't real, temperature on earth would be 32° Celsius colder, or something around these lines.
What you take there to debunk global warming really does nothing to debunk it.
Again, the world isn't into some conspiracy against the US. Again, all voluntary.
I don't...you do know that air pollution and climate change are two different topics though, don't you? It's not smog or any kind of nitrogen oxides that are responsible for the greenhouse effect. Doesn't mean you would want them around.
Oh and finally: Nothing on Sadiq Khan? No overstepping to be acknowledged?
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What's irritating is idiots like Merkel and co telling Trump what to do on the Paris Accord.
You mean it's irritating that they had their own wishes and even talked about them. How dare these idiots.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Their excuses were lame when it came to GloBull Warming. Tell me again how much money China (who's economy is supposed to surpass the US in the next year), Russia, India have contributed to it?
Oh damn.
Contributions to the agreement were all voluntary. Including yours. You weren't legally bound to do anything. You just agreed on acknowledging the problem, along with the rest of the world. Is it a pointless agreement then? Maybe, maybe not. But just leaving it and then throwing out all these kinds of misinformation about obligations and how the world was laughing at you and whatnot, that's just ignorant, that's nothing more as not having captured the very idea in the first place.
There were no obligations. If you wouldn't have met any of the ones you chose, the other countries could have been angry at you, with a reason to be sour for you broke your word. That's all repercussions there were to face. Don't be surprised that you're facing them right now.
Here's what's so amazing about this. It's so self-centric, as a country, it's astonishing. Noooo, it was all about the US, about all the other mean countries taking advantage of us, everybody in this world always only wants to cross the US, they all collude to do so. When talking climate change, they all only have scamming the US in their dirty foreign minds.
Here's some information, not everybody has such an americacentric worldview than you do.
About the warming itself, the greatest overall contributor is the US, historically speaking. With quite a margin. Right now, it's China, sure. Not that that's a good thing on their part, of course.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: You can't BS as BS'er.
Good for you, means you're not a BS'er.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Here's the biggest Kicker. We've been in a global cooling stage since 2001. Also when you research Ice dated from a thousand years ago, the CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the Temperature changes, not the other way around. So CO2 is not the driver for Global Warming.
This (and I don't know if that holds some scientific merit) doesn't tell us anything about the current situation. A sharp rise in CO2 levels like the current one is unprecedented. Your conclusion based on very vague ice dates isn't compelling at all. Even if CO2 usually always reacted naturally, doesn't mean it couldn't possibly be a driver for warming. You might think about that old "there's always a first time" saying.
The cooling stage, I won't comment until I have a source for that. I never heard anything about that which wasn't already widely debunked.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What happens is after the Earth heats up, the CO2 from the oceans also rises.
Yep, that is true. And that should actually scare you.
Now I don't know exactly, but if you think our current rise of CO2 levels stems from a warming and the oceans reacting to that warming by gassing out CO2, you're wrong. It can be shown quite clearly that the additional CO2 in the atmosphere stems from fossil fuels.
If you think warming and CO2 levels aren't correlated directly, you're also wrong. The greenhouse effect is quite real, the contribution of CO2 is also a fact. If it weren't real, temperature on earth would be 32° Celsius colder, or something around these lines.
What you take there to debunk global warming really does nothing to debunk it.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: We are also already a leader in cutting emissions so we can just keep on doing our thing with our own MONEY and with out trying to be regulated by the world that wants to let China/India double their coal production until 2030?? Yet we have to cut ours down? Sounds like someone wants to make money from us.
Again, the world isn't into some conspiracy against the US. Again, all voluntary.
(06-05-2017, 04:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Take a lesson from Alberta.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/did-the-coal-phase-out-reduce-ontario-air-pollution-newsrelease.pdf
The study analyzed air pollution changes in Hamilton, Toronto and Ottawa from 2005 to 2014 and found that the coal phase-out had no effect on nitrogen oxide levels, an important component of smog, and produced only a small reduction in fine particulates, a common measure of air pollution.
In Toronto and Hamilton, the reduction in fine particulates was statistically insignificant.
"Ontario closed its coal-fired plants with promises to greatly reduce air pollution and save billions in health costs, neither of which came true. Now the province has some of the highest electricity rates in North America," said Kenneth Green, senior director of natural resource studies at the Fraser Institute.
OOPS. Guess CO2 wasn't the main problem in the first place...
I don't...you do know that air pollution and climate change are two different topics though, don't you? It's not smog or any kind of nitrogen oxides that are responsible for the greenhouse effect. Doesn't mean you would want them around.
Oh and finally: Nothing on Sadiq Khan? No overstepping to be acknowledged?
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