White terrorist kills muslims with car

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(06-23-2017, 09:13 AM)P Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So in using the term liberal you admit that this has no connection to "liberal" ideology as in liberal versus conservatism?  Because to the person paying attention your use of the term is a not so subtle way of pimping liberal ideology by claiming it is the foundation for our form of governance.

As you state that "maximizing personalpersonal freedom" was the raison d'etre for such democracies then you'd be forced to admit that neither side in the left vs. right debate on our country could be considered "liberal'.  Just making sure you're being consistent.

I'd be "forced to admit" exactly what I said above in a "not so subtle way" to anyone "paying attention."

Post #41 One feature of US democracy which distinguishes it from European is the absence of an effective left and an aristocratic, anti-democratic right. US conservatives usually trace their ideals back to Edmund Burke, not de Bonald or de Maistre or Metternich. "Conservatism" in the US is for the most part classical liberalism, as this has taken shape in opposition to "new" or progressive liberalism, which appeared in the later 19th century. So liberal either way.

That is BOTH are liberal in social science terms. And this has something to do with "liberal ideology as in liberal versus conservatism." In response to practices like child labor and segregation, progressive liberalism extended one of the tenets of classical liberalism--to protect individual freedom--into the sacred free market economy. "Conservatives" emphasize another tenet of classical liberalism--minimal intervention in the market--to roll back progressive gains as "big government."

People unaware of this history get confused. Calling progressive liberalism "far leftism" is a symptom of this confusion. Its entire traction is lack of knowledge.