06-24-2017, 02:10 PM
(06-23-2017, 11:26 AM)Dill Wrote: I'd be "forced to admit" exactly what I said above in a "not so subtle way" to anyone "paying attention."
Post #41 One feature of US democracy which distinguishes it from European is the absence of an effective left and an aristocratic, anti-democratic right. US conservatives usually trace their ideals back to Edmund Burke, not de Bonald or de Maistre or Metternich. "Conservatism" in the US is for the most part classical liberalism, as this has taken shape in opposition to "new" or progressive liberalism, which appeared in the later 19th century. So liberal either way.
That is BOTH are liberal in social science terms. And this has something to do with "liberal ideology as in liberal versus conservatism." In response to practices like child labor and segregation, progressive liberalism extended one of the tenets of classical liberalism--to protect individual freedom--into the sacred free market economy. "Conservatives" emphasize another tenet of classical liberalism--minimal intervention in the market--to roll back progressive gains as "big government."
People unaware of this history get confused. Calling progressive liberalism "far leftism" is a symptom of this confusion. Its entire traction is lack of knowledge.
Nope, you don't get to use this out. The term "liberal democracy" is not universally known or immediately recognized in the way you're trying to explain. It's not the same as using "theory" in the scientific term versus its more common usage. You got caught, just own it.
(06-23-2017, 12:02 PM)Dill Wrote: I was not quoting you when I said "Fox-style." That was my descriptor of supposedly value free reporting.
Sure, except you phrased it to look like that's precisely what you were doing. You're a dishonest poster, you engage in this conduct all the time then claim innocence when you get called on it.
Quote:Like it or not, you are upholding a principle Fox and audience put forward as a journalistic standard--"we report, you decide"--even as they adopted the openly partisan goal of eliminating or balancing "liberal bias" in other news media.
And know you're doing it again. Wanting honest, fact based, opinion free reporting is not associated with any news channel, paper or organization.
Quote:So just to keep on track, your claim was that reporters do report "just the facts" in contrast to my contention all such facts are selected, the result of social and editorial priorities and judgment.
As any lawyer will tell you, deliberately omitting a pertinent fact is the same as lying. You don't mind lying from journalists, I do. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
