Jon Gruden on "Mike and Mike" this morning

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(08-07-2015, 09:37 AM)djs7685 Wrote: I think the issue for guys like myself and Nately is that we aren't allowed to discuss the issues with the offense (not just Andy) on this board without a million people telling us how it's the entire team's fault and that's that.

I have no problem saying that the entire team has sucked, but there is more to talk about than just that. I think the defense deserves their bashing for the 2011 and 2014 games and the offense absolutely deserves theirs for the other 2. IMO, the offense has sucked more than the defense if you look at all 4 games combined, but I'm called biased for saying that.

People claim the "Andy haters" can't be objective, but that's absurd. If I say the offense has sucked more than the defense, that doesn't mean I hate Andy Dalton, I'm just being realistic here.

Andy's biggest fans on here will bring up everything BUT the QB play if you discuss the playoff losses, yet we're the ones that aren't objective because we refuse to just give out equal blame even though it shouldn't be exactly equal? No, that's not how it's going to happen. It's not equal. I don't want to blame Dalton for everything, and I surely don't think it's Andy's fault when the defense has been bad or the coaching has been bad. In my opinion, blame goes something like Offense > Coaching = Defense > Special Teams, or Offense = Coaching > Defense > Special Teams. They've all sucked, but some parts have definitely sucked less.

I don't think you are close to an Andy hater so you do have good points and do analyze the whole situation.

Others simply refuse to even consider anything else, they are a small minority in the forum. Those are who I refer to when I say they lost all objectivity. I understand why they could feel that way as AD is very hard to trust, but even if the day comes I lose all trust in AD, I hope I still also look at everyone's performance versus just the QB.

As far as the others who have issues on offense in addition to AD in the playoffs, there are more who played worse than normal (regular season) than have played as well or better so why should that be ignored just because AD played poorly? I think it creates spirited debate and debate in this forum is what we do.