How Counter-Narratives Emerge

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(07-13-2017, 01:53 PM)Vlad Wrote: Hope you're speaking for yourself.
I wasn't aware leftists ever defended Trump.

Yeah, yawn.

(07-13-2017, 01:53 PM)Vlad Wrote: Regarding Trumps comments  "Conservatives don't take Trump literally, but they do take him seriously...liberals take him literally but not seriously."

Yeah, you quite can't take him seriously when you take his words "literally". Strangest things, how else should one take another's word? Is he talking metaphorical, and the left spectrum just doesn't get it? When proposing working with Putin on securing the election, that's a figure of speech only you guys get? When he says Mika was bleeding badly from a face-lift, that's a subtle critique of our society's obsession with aging? When he claims all his "enemies" tried to be friends with him and now are sour that they have been rejected by Trump, he simply cleverly slams our celebrity lechery?

I find no indication that Trump is talking in parables. It's far more likely that he just talks a lot of moronic nonsense. And your saying is just a way to ignore that, or spin it like you want to hear it, so it seems he means all the right things. That's a clever protection of the offense to your intellect Trump hands you every day. Russia meddling is fake news, Russia meddling is also Obama's fault - now make your pick what you take how literally, and you will see Trump means exactly what you think when saying something else. But honestly. It's just a cheap, convenient way of argueing.

Honest question. Have you never ever, not even in a single moment, thought that maybe Trump is just what Trump opponents see in him? That some of the things he says are truely stupid, decieving, divisive, untruthful, narcissistic and flawed? The opponents don't just come from the left, you know. I don't care about American left or right, if conservatives get their way and health care et al. is more of a survival of the fittest scheme, you believe in trickle down and shame abortions and whatever, what gives. I would form a society differently, but that's what I try to do in my country, don't care about the US. But Trump is a moronic demagogue, almost everyone in the world sees it that way, people who also do not care about your liberal-conservative trench. We do not "fall for leftist propaganda" or agenda-driven US-American media outlets. It's just painfully, and I mean painfully obvious.
And somewhere you have to know that you're on the wrong sinde of history, just as the Nixon supporters were. That also remained faithful to the very end. Which also is a right-wing phenomena, one a part of me truely admires. But if you got nothing more to offer than some stale statements like the one above, your ground isn't quite solid.