Proper Steps to MAGA?

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(07-20-2017, 05:52 PM)hollodero Wrote: Hmmm... that's the American take. I mean nothing by that, just saying. Americans sure seem to think in more individual terms.

Health care is complicated, sure. Social values (in lack of a better word) play some role in it. In Europe, we grew up with something like a contract of the generations, and young people pretty much accept that social standards demand certain expenses, even when they might not be the beneficiaries of said spending they have to contribute to. But then again, everyone has parents, friends who don't do well... etc. A society being taken care of in terms of health does, in my experience, work a bit better and more friction-free. Feeling "robbed", to me, sounds a bit egocentrical. If everyone pays a certain fraction of his salary, no one will go bancrupt because of health insurance. But it sure is a solidarity concept, and not to be cute but that thought doesn't seem popular in the US. But the result you get out of this way of thinking doesn't look particularly compelling for a society as a whole. From the outside, that is.

Plus, accidents can happen quickly. I guess I'm still on the spending side of things overall, but when I cut a nerve in my hand, I sure was glad that I was covered. Being healthy can change suddenly for everyone, no matter how young and vital one feels. 

Single payer seems like a viable option, or "Medicaid for all", and Sanders is quite right in saying that every wealthy nation except the US does offer similar services to their citizens. I understand that's a tough sell in the US, so OK. But a public option would be a distinct possibility to cap raising premiums.

But be that as it may - there are certainly more options than just full repeal or letting Obamacare fail. I insist on you being a bit too hasty with your judgment there :)

The robbed bit isn't egocentrical. When someone says "oh, by the way, you don't want or need this, but give me your money anyway or I am throwing you in jail" that is most certainly robbery.

They throw around the 20m people who got health insurance because of it number, but note there's never any research done on how many of that 20m *DIDN'T WANT IT*. Or how many people who already had health insurance are now finding their deductibles and premiums skyrocketing to the point where sure they technically have insurance on paper, but now they can no longer afford to use it. My parents are pretty much in that group. It's shit to see because they have worked hard for it only to have it essentially snatched away to give to people who didn't work hard for it under the guise of a better world, and they are middle class at best.

Meanwhile my friends who were already working 2 jobs in order to pay their bills and student loans, are getting $695 taken away from them just so they can opt out of something they neither wanted nor needed.

Might sound a bit curmudgeon-y, but shit medically was a LOT better from my perspective a decade ago.
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As for Sanders, his plan was never a good one. I think I read it would have meant like 20% of everyone's income would go towards paying for what he proposed.