72 years (and 13 hours) ago...

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(08-07-2017, 10:13 AM)Au165 Wrote: The war was won before we dropped the first bomb. It was about flexing our muscles to the Russians. Eisenhower said in 63' that the Japanese were ready to surrender, and that we did not need to drop that bomb killing all of those civilians. Truman's "Bombing Survey" he had commissioned after agreed that they would have surrendered by November, December at the latest. William Leahy also told Truman the bombs were not needed, but later Truman tried to spin it that it saved us an invasion which was refuted by Truman's "bombing Survey" report.

People can try to justify it all they want, but estimations of up to 220k innocent people died because we dropped those bombs. If any country did that today we would demand they be wiped off the earth and any one who made the decision be shot. Since we did it, and we won the war, we act as if the end justified the means. It did not.

Interesting how you bring up the Bombing Survey as your evidence of why they didn't need to do it (nevermind your Nov-Dec meant 4-5 more months of our people dying) and then ignore the Bombing Survey's estimations of casualties in favor of a much more inflated estimation of 220k.

Also ignoring that the WW2 Japanese were some of the worst people to walk this planet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 (Deadly experimentation on POWs.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre (Rape, pillage, and murder of an entire city.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women (Widespread sexual slavery.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Alls_Policy (Scorched earth policy in China of "Kill all, burn all, loot all.")

Combined with their kamikaze attacks, Pearl Harbor, and the fact that 20 MILLION Chinese civilians died from their actions.

But please, do tell us how really we're the bad guys in that situation, and how they would have (maybe) surrendered after killing our troops for another 4-5 months, and how them just surrendering and not the *unconditional* surrender that we ended up getting would have removed the blight on the world that the Imperial Japan mindset was instead of them biding their time and eventually invading mainland Asia (they had already done it twice in the previous 50 years).

They dropped the bomb just a little over 4 months after the end of Iwo Jima, where the US had 6,821 dead and over 19,217 wounded. Pshaw, what's another 4-5 months of that type of combat in order to let the Japanese go "Our bad, lolz" and change nothing about themselves that was abhorrent.

Just a stupid post. (I don't say that lightly.) You talk about if we did that today... if a country today was doing what Imperial Japan did during WW2, it would have been wiped off the map by every single other country on the planet, and everyone would sleep better for it.