Democratic senator "hopes Trump is assassinated"

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(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: I'm confused as to what you mean by Americans being chilled about Russia. Not the phrase, but what you mean by that statement.

Many don't seem to take it that seriously. Ah, didn't change the outcome, or: ah, every country does things like that. Qúite relaxed in the face of a full-scale Russian propaganda attack on many levels. And to many western countries, although he's not that successful here in Europe. It's not for a lack of trying, but - just my guess - people here see things more awarely.
Almost every hearing starts with these words, inncluding Comey's: The important thing is what Russia did, it isn't exaggerated, in fact it gets lost in the Trump debate. First thing Comey said (at least something among these line), first thing almost everyone says. (Except for Sessions of course, who as AG never had any briefing about Russia.)

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Exaggerated? Maybe. Grossly exaggerated? Definitely not. I've been flipping between CNN and Fox News for months since Donald Trump ran for and became president and the amount of disproportionate coverage that I've seen is absolutely ridiculous on CNN. It may not be 99% but it's definitely up there. 

When Donald Trump tweeted the edited WWE video of him attacking Vince McMahon CNN spent four consecutive days talking about it. They even put out a report about their report to report what they had already reported about the tweet. They even went as far as to track down who originally posted the video and reported on that as well.

OK. I don't intend to defend CNN more as I want to. Yes they can be annoying, yepp they have their three subjects they pass on from anchor to anchor as breaking news, now Cooper's take, now Blitzer's take, and so on. I guess it's inbuilt somehow. People that zap in for the news want the biggest news, no matter if it was already talked about in length. That being said. My small country has state-run TV (not recommended) and some private stations, but there's one thing I can say: If our chancellor had ever tweeted a meme like that against any news station, he would get grilled for it too. It isn't actually normal to declare war on the media like that. With Trump, one probably gets used to things like that. There are big things all the time. But I still don't, I can fully understand making a big thing out of tweeting this meme. Because it's amazing. I guess a majority in your country sees it similarly.
That's why I say, if coverage is too much or ridiculous always is a subjective call.

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: When I get up in the morning and turn on the tv it's constant talking about Donald Trump. When I get home from work and turn on the tv it's constant talking about Donald Trump. I've seen CNN air more live events of Donald Trump than Fox News. I would literally flip between the two when Donald Trump was speaking live and CNN would be the only one showing it while Fox News was busy talking about something else. Any chance they get to pick at anything negative he does during that live speech they are on it.  A lot of it is about ratings and people are falling for this "moral outage" BS that CNN is spewing.

I don't think it's BS, I am not sure if you're making a political staetment here, or if I do that. I might be biased, because I'm actually outraged by many things, or let's better say: stunned. Didn't get used to the "new style", and I think it's good to not get used to Trumpism. But that sure is my personal anti-Trump stance talking about his anti-Trump sentiments. 
I just say as much, Trump often is the biggest topic in my country too, and we have elections coming up. It IS an amazing time and an amazing presidency.

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: What do you mean he "Left them no choice"? They're a news organization. They're supposed to be reporting news. They spend hour after hour talking about Trump because they choose to, not because Trump forced anything on them. You can report on Trump without having to spend hours talking about how he tweeted what he ate for breakfast.

In all fairness. That is a misrepresentation about what they do. A tweet about his breakfast wouldn't be covered, he tends to tweet way more spectacular things than that. This General pershing tweet alone. What is a news outlet supposed to do with that, ignore it because the Trump news time is already used up? I really don't think so.

And if you're referring to the "he gets two scoops and everyone else just one", then I have to say, I have heard more from people on the right about that than actual coverage.

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Please tell me what direct attacks that came from Trump you believe deserve a significant amount of air time.

Oh Jeez, where to start. The Mika [Brz... whatever, just Mika] attack. It's really disgusting, at least that's what I feel, too disgusting to just let slide as the new normal. Attacking senators, calling them "Flake" and whatnot. Attacking Sessions. Attacking crooked Hillary (even way after the election, he can't let go)... and it goes on and on, I really don't want to make a list. These all are newsworthy. Crooked Hillary statements are presidential statements, team Trump itself says as much. So of course they need coverage. It can't be the course of action to just get used to these and finally let them slide as Trump just being a cyber bully.
Maybe some, crroked Hillary doesn't get reported any more. But you have to talk about the Mika tweet.

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: How is it not CNN's fault? CNN is the one choosing to report what they're reporting. They're the ones who decide to bring Trump supporters on the air to have a verbal war about Donald Trump's tweets. The fact that Trump said it isn't the point. The point is that CNN deliberately chooses to pick out every little thing that Trump does and airs it as "outrage".

After making this thread and responding to a couple of the comments I asked one of my co-workers today if he thinks the Donald Trump coverage on CNN is good or bad. He asked me "Good or bad for who? CNN or Trump?" I said "Trump". My co-worker and I talk about politics a lot, and he's a democrat and a huge Bernie Sanders supporter and a very opinionated guy..... I mean very opinionated. And he absolutely can't stand Trump.
   
After I asked him that question he immediately went on a full tirade about how the coverage is good for Trump and how he thinks it's stupid how much CNN reports his tweets and the stupid things that he says. He said CNN is doing exactly what helped Trump get to where he is. He was heavily critical of how CNN barely reported anything positive about the candidates (namely Bernie Sanders) and instead opted to go the ratings rout and just completely pounce on Donald Trump. He brought up the whole Rosie O'dennell thing and said "Who cares what Trump has to say about Rosie O'dennell. All of that is meaningless to me" He did however acknowledge that a lot of the stuff Trump said was “bad” but he didn’t believe it was worth “24/7 news coverage”. He brought up the Trump groping incident and said “Was it bad? Yeah, I thought it was ridiculous. But then they just kept going on and on and on with that stupid access Hollywood video and continued talking about it for days”.
 
He said it’s gotten to the point where he doesn’t even want to read or listen to the news anymore. He’s absolutely not happy that Trump is president but he also thinks the coverage of Trump is insane and just can’t wait for all of this to pass so he can stop hearing about Trumps tweets. He even said he's tired of the whole Russia thing when months before he was pretty adamant about it.

I went into our conversation with the assumption that he was going to just verbally beat down Trump when he actually ended up just saying everything that I wanted to say without me having to say it. The only thing I added in was that I thought CNN was only helping to bring fruition Trump's comments about how the media is on a "witch hunt" and he said "Absolutely. Look the thing is, Trump says a lot of dumb shit, but how is reporting all of the dumb shit he says inform me of anything other than the fact that he is a dumbshit which I've known way before the guy even became president? It's like the media is ltreating it's viewers like we're too incapable of knowing that Trump is a low life d-bag that hurls insults at everyone. We already know that. We've known it for months. We already know the type of person he is, why do they feel the need to beat us over the head with all of his dumbshit. They need to just move on and start actually reporting news instead of being a bunch of talking heads about the same damn thing every day. It's all just a bunch of bullshit.  Lets hear something positive about someone else instead of hearing the same negative shit about Trump"

Then he asked me "Do you honestly think Trump is doing and saying all the shit that he does because he actually believes it?" and I said "Well...." and before I could really say anything he jumped in and said, "I don't. I don't believe that dude believes any of the shit he says or posts or tweets or whatever. This is all a game to him and the media is playing right into it. Trump even said himself that all press is good press. Why don't people see what's going on here? This is all a bunch of back and forth bullshit like some sort of reality show. I'm honestly at the point where I don't care what Trump does anymore. I'm just sick of hearing about him."


That's not everything he said but that's the parts of our conversation (paraphrased) I can remember right now.

lol...
I guess everybody has his take.
Here's the thing, I don't blame CNN for being annoying with their Trump coverage. I blame Trump for being Trump.
As said, the alternative would be to declare having a misinforming bully president is the new normal. I for one am not there yet and never want to be there. And therefore I'm all for calling out every misinformation and every personal attack coming from the president, even if he just aims for that, even if it's getting all Trump in the news.

I only want to take out one specific take, because I really spend too much time defending CNN...

(08-18-2017, 07:20 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: "Absolutely. Look the thing is, Trump says a lot of dumb shit, but how is reporting all of the dumb shit he says inform me of anything other than the fact that he is a dumbshit which I've known way before the guy even became president? It's like the media is ltreating it's viewers like we're too incapable of knowing that Trump is a low life d-bag that hurls insults at everyone. We already know that. We've known it for months. We already know the type of person he is, why do they feel the need to beat us over the head with all of his dumbshit. They need to just move on and start actually reporting news instead of being a bunch of talking heads about the same damn thing every day. It's all just a bunch of bullshit.  Lets hear something positive about someone else instead of hearing the same negative shit about Trump"

...I get that. But maybe that guy watches too much news. I said it, it's a one-hout show per anchor, going through the biggest news. Blitzer can't say, oh that is important, but it was already covered by another anchor, let's report something else then. That's not how it works. I'm the first to say the whole CNN format isn't ideal.

Then again, many people in the US definitely don't seem to get that he is a "low life d-bag". Over 30% still believe he's a heck of a president and a fine person, deep down in his heart or whatever. I don't blame CNN for that either. If any, I blame FOX for that. When you see CNN as agenda-driven, you have to see FOX (at least parts of FOX) as a Trump propaganda outlet.
Then again, I still can't grasp that your country voted for that guy. I am biased.


--- didn't this thread start with you complaining CNN didn't cover the Trump assassination tweet?