08-27-2017, 05:41 PM
(08-27-2017, 12:57 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'll assume it was Islamic Extremists.
LOL, you'll assume?
Quote:So I'll repeat for the new crowd: When I am presented with moderate Nazis that speak out against such violence by their own kind I'll agree there is an analogy there.
You're carrying his analogy to a place he wasn't taking it. But I think you're aware of that.
Quote:I already spoke out against violence by this antifa group. It's also been pointed out that much of the violence "on the left" was self defense.
You equivocate on this issue. You condemn the violence but out the other side of your mouth you condone it because nazis are evil. In this instance, yes, I think we'd agree that the right wing party initiated the violence. The exact opposite has been the case in the vast majority of these instances in the past year or so. The argument over this issue exists, and is fueled, solely by you, and those like you, appearing ignorant of this fact.
Quote:Yep.
However it is the job of American citizens to show up and show the NAZI's they are outnumbered and their kind of hate speech will not be tolerated.
Actually, yes, hate speech has to be tolerated, the First Amendment says so. You can vehemently oppose it, shout counters to it, but you must tolerate it. If you don't tolerate it that you means you actively seek to stop it, which is antithetical to the idea of free speech. The only type of speech that we must not tolerate is direct calls for violence.
Quote:Violence goes too far.
In each and every instance, no matter who the speaker, correct?
Quote:*BUZZZ* Wrong answer.
They are shutting down people who speak of racism and hatred. Sorry about that.
BUZZZ, wrong answer. You don't get to "shut down" speech you don't agree with. Mob veto does not trump our Constitution.
Quote:As to the rest violence is wrong. There is no other way to say it.
Ahh, so you agree that "both sides" are wrong and that antifa has been the one in the wrong the vast majority of instances over the past year. Glad to see you waking up.
Quote:Sadly NAZI's tend to inspire the worst in even good people because they are NAZI's.
Sadly, adults don't get to use that kind of excuse. If you can't adult without using violence then stay your ass home and let actual adults conduct their business.
Quote:Has that sunk in yet?
That you excuse violence against nazis because they're nazis? You've made that clear for several months. Sadly, you then contradict yourself by denouncing violence.
Quote:I'll guess no and that this will further descend into "but the other side got violent!!!!!1!!!!11!!"
They do, have and did. Search through news stories of political rallies or protests turning violent in the past 12-15 months. I think you'll find a common denominator in the vast, vast majority of instances. Correctly stating that right wing racists started the violence in C-Ville does not change that fact.
Quote:So I'll stop. Again.
Chortle, no you won't.
(08-27-2017, 01:01 PM)GMDino Wrote: This entire Charlotteville event should have been covered on these boards like this:
Nazis are scum.
So far I don't see any disagreement "on these boards".
Quote:It's a shame that a small group turned violent while trying to shutdown hate speech. That should not be tolerated and they should be punished for their actions
Still not seeing any disagreement.
Quote:But Nazis are evil and one of them killed an innocent woman.
Not sure why the "But" is in there. Still no disagreement.
Quote:It's a good thing that so many came out to oppose racism in America.
Sure, still no disagreement.
Quote:We really need to focus on how to handle these Nazis in America.
Well, we could do what we've done the last 70 years, that seems to have worked as actual nazis are as rare as hens teeth.
Quote:I guess it was a pipe dream to imagine people could agree Nazis are always the bad guys. Always.
Ahh, I see your problem now! You think simply by dint of being a nazi that anything done to them is both good and just. What a sad person you are to think such a thing. If I see a self proclaimed nazi spewing his abhorrent views on a street corner and some nazi hater comes out of the crowd with a gun to kill him, I am going to kill the guy with the gun. Not because I think the nazi is right, or good (honestly that I have to include that disclaimer for people like you makes me nauseous) but because, in this scenario, he would be the victim. If someone attacked them with a bat or their fists I would protect him for the same reason. If people were allowed to conduct themselves as you propose then Anjem Choudary would have burned at the stake years ago. Thankfully for him, Western society and the responsible adults who reside in it, he wasn't.
A link for those not familiar with the sack of assholes I just mentioned.
