Peaceful Berkley Protests Ruined By Antifa

[Belsnickel]

(08-29-2017, 03:50 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When we discuss antifa and leftists they are the violent ones. The ones who are anti America, anti capitalism, and anti freedom.

Then why did you say classic liberals weren't protesting? That is a false statement. Also, you make a lot of assumptions about the people that are getting violent.

(08-29-2017, 03:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I use leftist rather than liberal for a reason. Just as I use progressive instead of liberal. They are not the same.

Indeed, they are not the same. However, it has been demonstrated that there is a large amount of ignorance on these boards with regards to all of these terms and movements that have occurred in our history and how the terms relate to current political groups and your usage of those terms and the way you have described some of these groups falls into that, as well. It's not an attack to say this, so hopefully it won't be taken as such, but there are a lot of misrepresentations of ideologies from a lot of posters on here, yourself included, and from both the right and the left side of the spectrum.

I would only say that we should be more cautious in our application of labels to groups when they actually may not apply. This is something all of us are guilty of, myself included when my emotions were higher than usual during the Charlottesville incident.

(08-29-2017, 03:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Trump mentions there were some good people on both sides of the VA protest. He gets slammed because it's supposedly not possible..... now you are saying the same thing.

I don't think there were good people on both sides. I don't consider racists, white nationalists, neo-Confederates, Nazis, white supremacists, etc., to be good people. Whether or not they got violent, I don't consider them to be good people.

(08-29-2017, 03:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Conservatives protested obama and didn't get violent.

There were many instances of anti-Obama violence that occurred against his supporters. Don't kid yourself on this one. This is absolutely an escalation, but it isn't out of nowhere. This has been a ramp-up, not a climb up a steep rock face.

(08-29-2017, 03:51 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Nazi/Nazi sympathizer is the same thing. Also I am pretty sure I was called a Nazi. If I had any interest at all I would look it up.

Not the same thing. One is a Nazi, the other is sympathetic to them in some way.