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With Ivanka Trump’s Blessing, White House Ditches Equal Pay Rule
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(09-02-2017, 09:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Which, while true, doesn't refute his argument.


What troubles me about this is that it is incomplete data to make such an assessment. If women spend about a half-hour less per day working than men, okay, we have that measured. But what is their productivity? Are they completing the same work, more, less? How is their effectiveness and efficiency? If I have someone that spends an hour less working chained to their desk a day on average, but yet they produce the same number of widgets at the same level of quality (or higher in either case), guess who I give the raise to.

I honestly don't know what the answer here is, but I know that based on the data presented it does not provide adequate evidence to refute the existence of a wage gap between men and women for equal work.

By definition, if someone is working less and taking more sick days, they're not doing the job "the same way", which is what his point was. How does that not refute it?

You tell me where in the Obama proposal that got cancelled, it would measure every single worker's productivity, effectiveness, and efficiency in the country. Are we just going to employ half the country to just sit there and hover, watching the other half work for 6 months, grading everything they do? Then have that half of the country switch watch the other half?

If you think there's not adequate evidence now, then you're simply never going to find it unless you just make everyone work under 24/7 constant surveillance, and grade them all. This program sure as hell wouldn't have given you that evidence, it'd just tell you how much people are getting paid. Heck, I never even saw where it said where it took into account how much overtime they work, or how long they've been doing the job.

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If taking less sick days, and working longer hours isn't enough proof for you (somehow)... then here's the final thing I can provide you. Families and job experience:

Say you have 20 people working the exact same job, 10 men and 10 women, and we ignore the fact that the women would take more sick days and work less hours. In this scenario they all work the same amount, the same amount of sick days, and have the same productivity and everything. The job has 0 promotion opportunity, a starting salary of $50,000 and, fixed $2k pay raises each year. All the workers are hired at age 20, and any empty job spots will be replaced by a person of the same gender that left.

They all work 5 years, all of their pay is up to $60,000/yr.

Then 2 women retire to have a family. 2 new women are hired at the starting salary of $50,000.

Average salary:
Men, $60,000/yr
Women, $58,000/yr

Another 5 years pass, the original people are now making $70k/yr. One man leaves for another job. Two more women retire for families, and one leaves for another job. 1 man and 3 women are hired at the same $50,000 starting salary.

Average salary:
Men, $68,000/yr
Women, $57,000/yr

WOAH, salary different, despite them all doing the exact same work, same production, but when you average it out, the men are making 19.3% more than the women! Why? Because the men collectively have on average 9 years of experience, against the women's collective average of 6 years of experience.

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Obviously the salaries and raises and all of that are made up for the sake of the example, but it's based in reality.

https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm

As of 2014...
56.4% of males age 16-24 are in the workforce. The same category for women? 53.6%, a difference of +2.8% for men.
45.9% of males age 55 or older are in the workforce. The same category for women? 34.9%, a difference of +11% for men.

People with more experience at a job, are generally going to get paid more. A doctor who's been working at a hospital for 30 years is going to make more than one who's been working there for 15.

Then you add in the factors of women taking more sickdays and working less time to the fact that there are more experienced men in the workforce than women.

1. Take less time off.
2. Work more.
3. More experienced.

If those three still don't convince you, you were never looking to, or allowing yourself to be convinced in the first place, regardless of proof or logic.
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RE: With Ivanka Trump’s Blessing, White House Ditches Equal Pay Rule - TheLeonardLeap - 09-03-2017, 02:45 AM

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