09-26-2017, 10:40 AM
(09-26-2017, 10:32 AM)hollodero Wrote: Halt die Klappe, Yankee.
Allow me to give kind of an abbreviated, summed up response to these points. First, my SPD remarks weren't so much a historic stance then a political one; there's often two viewpoints, what one person refuses as betrayal the other person praises as being pragmatic. SPD was "pragmatic", at least that's what they tried to communicate, and lifelong voters didn't take that too well. The social net was already eroding under Schröder/Fischer, a government left leaning people have put high hopes in, only to be disappointed. After that, SPD was junior partner in a big coalition, and there is never anything to gain in that role ever. Plus they had some awful leadership in recent years, names like Kurt Beck or Sigmar Gabriel and then some.
A first counter-reaction was the founding of "Die Linke" (meaning "the left"), formed by a former SPD populist named Lafontaine and some PDS members (PDS started as the SED successor, SED was East Germany's governing party). Many voters were lost there for the SPD, true left leaning folk who couldn't go Grüne because, as mentioned, they are only left by cover, but really make policies for the wealthy. - AfD also feeds from disappointed socialist voters, like in many countries in Europe. The right-wing populists use those people who are in alliance with true nationalists. Now there's plenty to say about AfD, the German right-wing populism branch; they are, as everywhere, a force that doesn't go for the constructive vote, but for the angry, destructive, anti-elite, anti-establishment vote. Who votes for them are a) Nazis and sympathetic people and b) disappointed SPD voters who want to light a fuse. Because AfD have given them a scapegoat, a reason for the aölleged downward spiral, and it's refugees (and elites and media lies and so on, but mainly muslims).
...as mentioned.
Mr. Lucie, I try to respect everyone's position and plan to keep doing so. That being said, your statement still is a lie, and I won't grow tired telling you so. There is no rape epidemic, violence epidemic etc., caused by refugees. It is just a right-wing lie, and how openly American outlets outright lie abuout Europe is astonishing. You parroting these points doesn't shed the best of lights. And of course some migrants cause trouble and there's also no need to hide that away; an anti-immigration line isn't per se out of the scope of legit democratic opinions. But "epidemics", this is classical right-wing agitation speech, solving nothing and enraging people, being only destructive and accomplishing nothing good.
Support for the AfD mainly stems from people scapegoating and believing lies, from xenophobes, reactionaries and naive, low-educated folk. And some AfD voters, I assume, are good people.
Despite the rampant Under reporting of migrant crimes in Germany I willl just leave this here
That's data from BKA. Not right wing American outlets
Quote:According to Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA) data (page 14), in 2013, migrants (Zuwanderer) committed 599 sex crimes, or an average of two a day. In 2014, migrants committed 949 sex crimes, or around three per day. In 2015, migrants committed 1,683 sex crimes, or around five per day. During the first three quarters of 2016, migrants committed 2,790 sex crimes, or around ten per day.
In fact, the actual number of migrant-related sex crimes in Germany is at least two or three times higher than the official number. For example, only 10% of the sex crimes committed in Germany appear in the official statistics, according to André Schulz, head of the Criminal Police Association (Bund Deutscher Kriminalbeamter, BDK).
In addition, the BKA data includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to police statistics, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote).
Moreover, BKA crime statistics do not include data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and the one with the largest number of migrants, or from Hamburg, the second-largest city in the country.
