German elections

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(09-26-2017, 10:40 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Despite the rampant Under reporting of migrant crimes in Germany I willl just leave this here

That's data from BKA.  Not right wing American outlets

...and the data is interpreted by right-wing outlets. Dubious claims of a dark number being far higher (a classic: we have the numbers, but the truth is even way more grim, because we actually miss some more data, miss certain regions, the media underreports, police underreports etc. etc.), coupled with claims the official numbers are already high, and then there's some claims of cover-ups, as if police and media had a severe interest in protecting muslims because, whatever.

The actual numbers cited might be correct, but there is no context here. Muslims probably are responsible for about 4% of all sex crimes in Germany. Given they are about 5% (closer to 5.5%) of the overall German population, that number is not particularly high. Which doesn't mean that I do not want to have every single person thrown out of Europe who seeks asylum and commits crimes, because I do, and because we have some severe problems in that regard. But talking "rape/violence epidemic" is a lie and remains a lie. 

And this is the vicious part of all this: People who are convinced mass rapes are daily boring news in Germany, are swept under the rug, can never be persuaded that they got their data wrong. They know they are right, they read news that confirm them, either bi lieing or by misrepresenting data, and there's nothing one can do; except pointing out again and again that these are lies; and that Germany's wealth, security and prosperity depends on many things, but the number of refugees taken in temporarily isn't one of these things.