POTUS UN Speech

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(09-26-2017, 10:10 AM)Dill Wrote: You were not following SSF's rules.  Hence the insults, accusations and policing which drive discussion off topic and into the personal.

But you were following the argument and striving to stay on topic.  And that ought to be acknowledged.

Bfine made the unsupported claim that Japanese were "quite happy" with Trump.

I put up links marking what Japanese thought of Trump based upon Japanese data from 2016--like using last year's Tokyo phone book
because this year's is not out yet. Sure it's not "current." Some numbers may no longer work. but it is better than NO
phonebook. And can we just assume that every number in the phone book has changed since last year?

SSF does, claiming links from 2016 are no use at all, nor could Japanese editorial opinion count as evidence of Japanese opinion because editorials
"should never be used as 'proof' of anything."  Bels then, in the spirit of social science, reaffirms this currency requirement. 

Neither found fault with Bfine's still wholly unsupported claim.

I added more current links.  Bels added his link about all the Japanese "applause."

And you, understanding what is now required to establish the claim of Japanese satisfaction with Trump, correctly pointed out
that Bels' link was 1) more of a poll of what one Non-Japanese thought with no reference to Japanese evidence, and so 2) it does not establish
Bfine's claim, even if it is about North Korea and recent.  When the issue is Japanese opinion of Trump--perfectly consonant with the topic of the
thread--no one following the argument, or interested in following the argument, would demand you admit a link is more "on topic" simply because it
mentions North Korea or is recent.

At best it appears SSF is ignoring the specific point to which all these links addressed and has substituted the general thread topic as the
criterion for relevance.  

So as the matter stands as of now, all the indicators of Japanese opinion that we have suggest Japanese are not happy
with Trump and offer no reason to suppose that opinion could be easily moved.   And if one is following the argument, that is exactly
where productive discussion ends until someone can provide evidence that Japanese are satisfied with Trump because of some recent
event like his NK speech. 



 

bfine's "wholly unsupported claim" was in response to someone's "wholly unsupported claim" that the rest of the world was laughing at President Trump. I had recently read where Japan was happy that Trump mentioned a 1977 kidnapping of a Japanese citizen.

So somehow the onus fell to me to support a claim to refute a "wholly unsupported claim" (your attempts to "help" by posting a list of articles that occurred even before he was President did absolutely nothing, but show you could not find anything current to support the claim). Yep, that's how it works around here.