Daltons Pocket Presence

[Shake n Blake]

(09-26-2017, 01:41 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What's to stop them?
Being willing to finally bring in a premier outside FA or two for the OL.

By letting Dalton go (or even better trade), they immediately get the money to pay for Nate Solder for three years. If they can't get Solder, they'll need to draft a new LT because the rest of the FA market besides Solder is bad.
By letting a couple other veterans go (LaFell, MJ, Adam Jones), they would also have the money to cover a nice contract for a good center like Richburg.
Draft another OT as well.
Try Fisher or Ogbuehi at RG to see if they can become a good player at that position since they have yet to prove they can do so at OT.

A line of Solder, Boling, Richburg, Ogbuehi/Fisher, 1st/2nd round OT plus the weapons the Bengals have should (in theory) make for a solid team even with a rookie QB.

This is a pipe dream. They had the money to bring in a premier tackle this offseason and didn't do it. The Bengals are never players in free agency, no matter how much money they have to throw around. Hobspin will just print his yearly BS article to magically explain away the money. We know the drill by now, don't we?

(09-26-2017, 01:59 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Just because they haven't traditionally done it doesn't mean they won't ever.
Ken Zampese is a great example.
Many of us thought he would stick through the rest of the season at least.
Yet he was fired after the Houston game.
I sure didn't think that would have happened knowing the traditional behavior of this organization.

It took a full blown mutiny to make that happen. Lets not pretend it's a sign of changes to come.

(09-26-2017, 02:09 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Is Flacco worse than Dalton right now? Dalton has the league's worst total QBR at 16.6 and Flacco's total QBR is 24.1. I think anyone saying Dalton is better than Flacco right now is being subjective.

QBR is a garbage stat, Dalton has been better this year and better over the course of their careers. Statistically, the gap is pretty big.

Btw, Dalton is coming off a 124 passer rating, while Flacco just dropped a 12.0 which looked worse than that. If we're talking right now, it's clear who is better. If we're talking about the past too, for that matter.

(09-26-2017, 03:42 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Fair enough. I should rephrase...unless Dalton turns it around by season's end, I think it's time to cut bait.

I'd have no problem with that at all. I wouldn't be hopeful for the future though, barring major coaching and organizational changes.

Plus, I'd still always wonder how Dalton would've fared with a better coach, but I may be able to see that if he goes elsewhere.

(09-26-2017, 03:48 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: He's NEVER been a franchise QB.

He's been an above average QB. He's been maybe a good to really good QB for half a season before.

He's not the guy to transcend this organization. With that said, I don't know if any QB is. If Tom Brady was here, he might have ended up like Jeff Rowe.

I wouldn't say he's never been a franchise guy, but I think some people view "franchise" and "elite" as almost interchangeable terms. I see Stafford, Flacco and Tannehill as franchise guys, but not elite. Similar to Dalton.

You are spot on with that last line. I've always thought that if this team drafted Brady or Rodgers, they'd wind up looking more like Palmer or Dalton than an elite, 40 TD kind of QB.

(09-26-2017, 10:50 PM)Housh Wrote: We’ve had a great o line for a couple seasons and Andy still choked

Everyone has choked, Housh. Everyone. Marvin Lewis had that reputation before Dalton was even drafted. Why do people blame Dalton for choking but not any other players? Is Dalton supposed to rise above the choking culture?

(09-26-2017, 11:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I'm pretty tired of hearing about 2015 tbh. This is a what have you done for me lately kind of league and Dalton has won a total of 6 games going all the way back to the start of last season.

What has happened since the start of 2016? We've had a crap line (52 sacks in that span - most in the NFL). We had a coordinator that was so bad that the players had a mutiny to get him fired. Notice that the players didn't have a mutiny to get Dalton benched. A bad line and bad OC could have a negative affect on QB play I would think. 

(09-27-2017, 03:07 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: i saw Rodgers getting pounded, Wilson n Alex Smith getting pounded. you might be on to something,  i wish Dalton would hang on until the last second.

Wilson was sacked the same amount of times as Dalton last year and posted nearly identical stats. Both saw their play take a dip. Wilson was bad the first 2 weeks this year, when he was sacked 6 times. He just had his first good game and it just so happened his line played well (1 sack). Smith hasn't taken the consistent beating that Dalton has. Rodgers is a HOF talent.

To sum it up, I don't know where people get this idea that QB's shouldn't be negatively affected by sacks. I've been following football for 30 years and as long as I've been watching, it's been football 101 that you need to protect your QB. Why do people think that is? Aaron Rodgers is the extreme exception. Even Tom Brady gets rattled when he gets hit. 

Don't believe me? Ask James Harrison:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/0ap3000000777075/Harrison-on-Brady-Anybody-can-be-rattled-if-you-get-hit-enough

"Any QB can be rattled if you hit him enough"

So why are we slamming Dalton for being rattled? Why aren't we slamming the idiotic FO for letting the line go to shit? Or Paul Alexander?