Daltons Pocket Presence

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(09-28-2017, 12:26 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: This is a pipe dream. They had the money to bring in a premier tackle this offseason and didn't do it. The Bengals are never players in free agency, no matter how much money they have to throw around. Hobspin will just print his yearly BS article to magically explain away the money. We know the drill by now, don't we?


It took a full blown mutiny to make that happen. Lets not pretend it's a sign of changes to come.


QBR is a garbage stat, Dalton has been better this year and better over the course of their careers. Statistically, the gap is pretty big.

Btw, Dalton is coming off a 124 passer rating, while Flacco just dropped a 12.0 which looked worse than that. If we're talking right now, it's clear who is better. If we're talking about the past too, for that matter.


I'd have no problem with that at all. I wouldn't be hopeful for the future though, barring major coaching and organizational changes.

Plus, I'd still always wonder how Dalton would've fared with a better coach, but I may be able to see that if he goes elsewhere.


I wouldn't say he's never been a franchise guy, but I think some people view "franchise" and "elite" as almost interchangeable terms. I see Stafford, Flacco and Tannehill as franchise guys, but not elite. Similar to Dalton.

You are spot on with that last line. I've always thought that if this team drafted Brady or Rodgers, they'd wind up looking more like Palmer or Dalton than an elite, 40 TD kind of QB.


Everyone has choked, Housh. Everyone. Marvin Lewis had that reputation before Dalton was even drafted. Why do people blame Dalton for choking but not any other players? Is Dalton supposed to rise above the choking culture?


What has happened since the start of 2016? We've had a crap line (52 sacks in that span - most in the NFL). We had a coordinator that was so bad that the players had a mutiny to get him fired. Notice that the players didn't have a mutiny to get Dalton benched. A bad line and bad OC could have a negative affect on QB play I would think. 


Wilson was sacked the same amount of times as Dalton last year and posted nearly identical stats. Both saw their play take a dip. Wilson was bad the first 2 weeks this year, when he was sacked 6 times. He just had his first good game and it just so happened his line played well (1 sack). Smith hasn't taken the consistent beating that Dalton has. Rodgers is a HOF talent.

To sum it up, I don't know where people get this idea that QB's shouldn't be negatively affected by sacks. I've been following football for 30 years and as long as I've been watching, it's been football 101 that you need to protect your QB. Why do people think that is? Aaron Rodgers is the extreme exception. Even Tom Brady gets rattled when he gets hit. 

Don't believe me? Ask James Harrison:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/pittsburgh-steelers/0ap3000000777075/Harrison-on-Brady-Anybody-can-be-rattled-if-you-get-hit-enough

"Any QB can be rattled if you hit him enough"

So why are we slamming Dalton for being rattled? Why aren't we slamming the idiotic FO for letting the line go to shit? Or Paul Alexander?

Post of the year, right here. In the Andy Dalton Category, anyways.

(09-28-2017, 12:53 PM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Marvin Jones is a borderline number 1 for the Lions . Sanu is pretty much the number 2 with the Falcons

And Non Sequitur of the year award goes to ...