10-04-2017, 10:48 AM
(10-04-2017, 09:33 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Put up or shut up. Show evidence of my advocating for that, or any other word, to be banned/censored. I recall pointing out that it is a slur, but I don't recall ever advocating it be a banned word.
I will point something out here that I think is important to state, but I have a feeling will be ignored. When you use these words that are slurs and are not considered socially acceptable there are different reactions that you will garner. Those of us that pay attention to these things actually look at the context of their use to guide our reaction to this.
If someone uses a word that in years gone by may have been more acceptable in general conversation, we often tend to just discuss the use of the word not being deemed as appropriate in "polite conversation" anymore. We will even explain the reason why if it is asked because education is the tool to fight ignorance, and ignorance is the root of prejudice and discrimination.
Now, after having that happen there is continued whining, use of the words, use of the words in conjunction with other language that is disparaging, then there is no other way to take it but for it to be intended as derogatory. That is where we are at with you. Whether you choose to accept that or not, I don't really care at this point. You've made your biases clear, you have exhibited clear evidence that you consider people of the LGBT community as second-class. I can have discussions with other people that may disagree with me on the topic just fine because they do not choose to continually use disparaging terms.
That's why you get involved in these discussions. Words are just words, but contextually it is clear that your intent behind them is derogatory.
1. Ah so you do not think it should be banned or censored. Gotcha. If that is indeed the case then I apologize. I must have wrongly lumped you in with your transvestite loving buddy. My bad.
2. There is a lot here so I will respond in parts.
"Socially acceptable" - what's acceptable down here in my community may not be the same as your community. You expect me and others to live by your view of acceptable but you will not accept our view of acceptable and take it for what it's worth. Just normal conversation that can be thrown out as just a regional way to speak.
As far as context goes..... me saying that transvestities need counseling because the science has shown it's a mental disorder much like an eating disorder or similar mental issues. None of that is anti gays or transvestites. You just want to project that because the default move is to call anyone who isn't marching in gay pride parades a homophobe.
Your view in Virginia (I think that's your state, I honestly do not remember) is different than mine in Florida. We refer to people in ways that you would most likely find offensive. It's more of a regional thing rather than a homophobia situation. And I should remind you I have never advocated for gays or transvestites to be the recipient of any violence or exclusion. I have advocated for people getting the help they needed, to not give children radical hormone treatment pre puberty, and not allowing men in the women's restroom. None of that is homophobic.
You are more than welcome to explain anything to anyone and we are also more than welcome to say thank you but we will stick to our own ways.
You mention that education is the tool to fight ignorance and discrimination. I am against those things as well. So this isn't even an issue..... you are merely upset that I have different presentation when it comes to speaking about these subjects. Once again this is a regional issue not a speech issue. It's clear when you and Pat have the same demeanor on these topics on speech especially you are both from the same region.
If you want to only think if me as speaking in a derogatory manner than that is a you problem. That is your definition of derogatory and it's obviously a bit skewed. I am still not sure why you guys are so wrapped up in language as opposed to the actual issue. All I want is to get people the help they need to lower their suicide rate. Instead of talking about that you want You instead want to get wrapped up in which word I use..... transgender, tranvestite, *****, three wolf, gay, etc..... for all your education you can't seem to get beyond a minor regional speech issue. It's not like I have said anything remotely anti gay or anti transvestites.
Imagine if not one thing was ever said about the use of *****. Outside of you or anyone saying hey that's not really acceptable where I am from..... then leaving it alone. We could have had detailed discussions on the actual topics rather than pages and threads wasted over the choices between trans, *****, transvestite, two wolf, he, she, cis, xe, he/she, ze, ko, vd, etc.
in the end no one is going to change how they speak, you are not all of sudden going to just speak plainly and directly. You will always care about perception and other things that I just find pointless.
