11-10-2017, 08:43 AM
(11-10-2017, 01:38 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: 62% of gun deaths are suicides and the total of all gun deaths in 2016 is around 11,000. Take away that 62% and you have around 4000 total gun murders.
Since I can't use the self inflicted alcohol abuse, we will use only drunk driving deaths in 2016 which is over 10,000. Yes, alcohol abuse isn't sexy and the most I could find murdered by a drunk driver at one time is 4, sorry that it isn't high enough for you, it's still almost triple the amount than gun violence.
Now alcohol has no use whatsoever.
As for the only use of a gun being to kill/harm and whatever, you forget that it is also used to hunt and protect. Let's see how you fare with a stick or a knife against a wild boar, you are going to need a gun unless you're Rambo or something.
That Hero in Tennessee used his gun to hold that other church shooter until police got there. That gun didn't kill anyone.
By the way, the guy who stopped all the death in that church as this guy went around looking to finish off people who weren't dead was an NRA Certified Gun Saftey Instructor who used an AR-15. This Hero used hi gun to stop even more people from losing their lives.
As for what can we do to stop these things? The only way is to ban all firearms, confiscate the firearms in this country, stop illegal guns from entering this country, go door to door, down every alley, look in every wall and any place someone can hide a gun and get those too. Then hope you got them all and that you can stop all the death. This is the only way to stop mass shootings and we still won't be garrenteed.
Mass shootings are horrible and no we don't just have to live with them. What we need to do is stop this arguing back and forth about banning the object and start working on the real problems which is people. Find out why someone wants to blow themselves up in the name of their god or why someone wants to murder as many people as they can with a gun. It's the person that is the problem, not the gun or the religion.
Education and facts that can not be subjective or refuted, the actions of people, stop the constant putting down of others and stop accusing one side or the other of wanting to kill or enslave the people. We have to get serious about mental health as well or it won't matter anyway.
Mental Health may be only one factor but it is the biggest factor when it comes to mass shootings.
Quick question with all of this: who on this forum has advocated banning firearms? Your argument seems to be hinged on that, but I haven't seen that argument being made. People have talked about restrictions, universal background checks, etc., but not banning. We are talking about regulating firearms, where they can be carried, what type can be purchased, who can purchase them.
