Andy's Looking Good In Camp

[Brownshoe]

(08-20-2015, 12:06 PM)djs7685 Wrote: No, when did I say that? That's just a classic strawman argument. I never said anything remotely close to that.

I'm saying that you shouldn't deflect blame to everybody else. Andy looked like crap. Gio fumbled. The offense played like shit in general. Gruden didn't have a great gameplan. All of that is true.

None of those statements make the others not true though, which is what you aren't comprehending. Andy played like shit and Gio fumbling didn't happen because of each other. Gio fumbled because he played like crap. Andy threw to the other team and fumbled untouched because he played like crap. Andy didn't throw to the other team and fumble untouched because Gio fumbled in the first half.

(08-20-2015, 11:59 AM)djs7685 Wrote: It was nobody else's fault that he looked like shit.

Cause and effect. Gio fumbling took points off the board. Green not catching that TD pass took points off the board. Those things and others made Dalton have to throw the ball more than what he should have, and because he threw the ball 50 times more negative things will happen because the defense knows he's going to throw the ball almost every play.