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[*michaelsean*]

(11-21-2017, 03:12 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm not a big fan of Wikipedia, but finally we have a useful history and definition of the term.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

A counter argument only becomes "whataboutery" as an attempt to change the subject.

Comparing Trump/Obama/Hillary/liberals/conservatives on issues is not automatically whataboutery. If someone claims Obama's foreign policy was the worst ever, and I raise the issue of Bush's Iraq War, that is not changing the subject; it is at minimum asking for a clarification of the standard by which Obama is being judged.

When Trump is judged for his disgusting behaviors, recalling Bill Clinton to the discussion to support claims and speculation about "liberal hypcrisy" is not in itself whataboutery. Though it might be if the issue is Trump's behavior in relation to a current policy issue and mentioning Clinton clarifies nothing, but sets the argument off in a different direction.

So it's clear to me that people are always comparing politicians, but it's not so clear there is a "tome of whatabouts concerning Trump" in this forum. There might some. But as of late, Trump supporters have set the standard outside this forum as well as in it.  Kellyann Conway is the current Queen of the tactic.

And here I was going to credit Dino with creating a new word.