12-02-2017, 02:00 PM
(12-02-2017, 10:27 AM)bfine32 Wrote: 1. Actually I chose 50 because it is a nice round number that would include Dalton's stats and was enough attempts to have an impact on a team's YPA. It was no underhanded attempt of slighting Andy as I picked EVERY QB that fit the criteria; it appears your criteria was to pick and choose those that had a lower YPC than Andy. Are you sure you understand how averages work?
2. I am not the one that said consistent running game, the post that I responded to that got the Dalton Duo (Shake and Brownshoe) in a tizzy said consistent ; the other half of the Dalton Duo decided to change consistent to good to fit his narrative.
3. And some would say that a WR corp that has AJ Green and me is great. Giving your opinions the benefit of the doubt you can come up with about 3 years that Andy was above average (in most cases slightly) when he wasn't surrounded by talented players.
4. As to Cousins he was number 2 in passing yards prior to Thursday and as to 99.6 isn't "that much better" than 92.5 then I'm sure you'd agree than Andy is having a season more similar to Jacoby Brisset than Kirk Cousins. They only reason Cousins is not in MVP talks is because his team is struggling; he's doing great. It reminds me of the time someone in the forum tried to say Andy was better than Kirk because of contract situation.
5. I get that your role in the forum is to be lead Dalton Defender, but it's good to look at things rationally from time to time. Nothing in the original post that I responded to has been disproven; unless one wants to try to make the argument that a rushing attack that is top half in the league in yardage and TDs is not consistent (regular/ dependable/steady).
6. But enough of the back and forth, as I realize the Dalton Duo will be on cue to defend all things Dalton including this very thread when it was stated that Andy requires a good linen consistent runners, and elite receivers to crack the Top 10 as the only time he has done it in his 7 year career was the year he had all three.
1. My point stands, and you seem to be the one who doesn't understand how averages work. Let me help. A significantly lower average (YPC) is going to take less carries to do significant damage.
Lets do an exercise. Both of these players have 250 carries for 1000 yards (4.0 YPC) in 15 games. In game 16...
Player "A" has 20 carries for 50 yards (2.5 YPC)
Player "B" has 10 carries for 10 yards (1.0 YPC)
Player "A" finishes the season at 3.89 YPC
Player "B" finishes the season at 3.88 YPC
Hopefully this helps you.
2. I'm not going to get involved in a name calling back and forth. Everyone knows where you stand on this just as much as they know with me. All it boils down to is I believe in the guy and you don't. If you want to know why I changed the vague word "consistent" to "good", re-read the post you quoted. Or maybe explain what "consistent" means to you in this case? Seems it could mean anything you want it to mean. I think the word consistent was used because everyone knows damn well the run game has never been "good".
3. Amazingly, some would disagree with that assessment. Partly because AJ Green loses some luster when all coverage is shifted to him because everyone else sucks. Partly because teams don't just line up and throw to 1 guy. Btw, I listed 5 years, not 3...and you did say "above average". Last I checked, "slightly above average" still qualifies as "above average".
4. We'll just have to disagree that Cousins is having an MVP caliber season. He's on pace for 4385 yards, 28 TDs, 11 INTs with that 99.6 rating. Good numbers. Pro Bowl numbers. Not MVP numbers. Here's the last 6 MVP QB's with their season stats:
Matt Ryan: 4944 yards, 38 TDs, 7 INTs, 117.1 rating
Cam Newton: 3837 yards, 35 TDs, 10 INTs, 99.4 rating (636 rush yards, 10 TDs)
Aaron Rodgers: 4381 yards, 38 TDs, 5 INTs, 112.2 rating
Peyton Manning: 5477 yards, 55 TDs, 10 INTs, 115.1 rating
Aaron Rodgers: 4643 yards, 45 TDs, 6 INTs, 122.5 rating
Tom Brady: 3900 yards, 36 TDs, 4 INTs, 111.0 rating
5. I don't have a "role" any more than you do. You're role isn't "guy who pretends to be objective, but isn't really" is it? Again, I like Andy, you don't. No need to make that seem any more complicated than it is. Nothing in that original post has been proven or proven wrong. It's all subjective. But the fact that Dalton has generated 5 above average seasons that included a trio of 40+ sack seasons, with no run game ranked better than 20th in YPC, and with #2 receivers like Binns, rookie Sanu/MLJ, LaFell and Kroft is good enough evidence for me.
6. Again with the grade school level name calling. Some disagree that the talent around Andy has been all that and a bag of Husman's BBQ. That's not limited to myself and Brownshoe. Get over it.
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