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End of the "Dalton Scale"?
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(05-21-2015, 11:26 AM)PhilHos Wrote: One last thing about Dalton (for now), I find it very telling that the usual standards for judging a QB are thrown out the window when it comes to Dalton. Other QBs are judged on wins and stats, for the most part. But, because those would indicate Dalton is a good QB, people bring up other things. They may be valid criticisms (playoff and prime time performances, for example), but still are generally solely only used to knock Dalton down.

This just isn't true, at least not for everybody.

There are a lot of us that don't think W/L is on a QB whether his name is Peyton Manning, Andy Dalton, or Joe Montana. Wins and losses are team accomplishments, and it's not as simple as giving them 100% of the credit for every single win or loss. There are certainly games that I would say Dalton had more to do with the W than most other players, and there are certainly games that I would say Dalton had more to do with the L than most other players. For the most part, it's the media that clings to W/L (or Andy homers that need something positive to look at). They do that because the media is what feeds the casual fan, and that type of fan is obsessed with illogical reasoning for why their favorite player is better than your favorite player.

Now, if you want to say "Andy Dalton put up some impressive performances in those 5 wins, he was really good!", I have no issue with that, especially if you have substance to back that up. What I have a problem with is the people that push "40 wins" on Andy as if he was the main reason we won every last one of those games.

Stats will never tell the entire story, but they point you in the right direction. Passer rating is the one easy stat to look at to tell if a QB is good or not. How many guys do you see with high passer ratings that suck? How many guys do you see with low passer ratings that are great? The fact is, whether Andy homers and haters like it or not, his passer rating hovers around mediocre by the time the season is finished every damn year. What does that mean? It means he's somewhere around average, which isn't a bad thing, but it's not great either. It's gotten to the point where it's just dumb to nitpick each other over the exact terminology to use to describe him, as long as we can all acknowledge that he isn't terrible but he isn't great either.
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RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - XenoMorph - 05-20-2015, 06:04 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Bryan - 05-21-2015, 12:52 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - SHRacerX - 05-21-2015, 07:49 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - CKwi88 - 05-21-2015, 10:27 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 05-21-2015, 10:43 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-21-2015, 11:24 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 01:02 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - SHRacerX - 05-26-2015, 07:09 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 08:35 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - SHRacerX - 05-27-2015, 07:45 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - SHRacerX - 05-29-2015, 08:00 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 09:25 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 09:29 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 09:47 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 09:57 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-27-2015, 02:20 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 06:35 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - t3r3e3 - 05-27-2015, 10:23 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-27-2015, 11:19 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Whatever - 05-27-2015, 11:52 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-28-2015, 02:40 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-28-2015, 02:38 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-28-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-28-2015, 09:29 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-27-2015, 11:13 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 05-25-2015, 12:15 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 05-25-2015, 01:17 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - bfine32 - 05-20-2015, 07:09 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - XenoMorph - 05-20-2015, 07:41 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - bfine32 - 05-20-2015, 07:56 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - XenoMorph - 05-21-2015, 01:35 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-20-2015, 08:13 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - bfine32 - 05-20-2015, 08:24 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - t3r3e3 - 05-20-2015, 08:42 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - CJD - 06-03-2015, 01:21 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Marlon23 - 05-21-2015, 02:19 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - OSUfan - 05-25-2015, 12:50 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 05-25-2015, 01:23 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - CKwi88 - 05-20-2015, 09:16 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - lostpoet2 - 05-20-2015, 09:26 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 01:11 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 05:54 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 09:20 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 09:25 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 09:27 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 09:30 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - rfaulk34 - 05-26-2015, 09:38 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Stormborn - 05-20-2015, 10:01 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - SHRacerX - 05-21-2015, 07:45 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - PhilHos - 05-21-2015, 11:26 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-21-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-21-2015, 11:37 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Whatever - 05-26-2015, 10:30 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - PhilHos - 05-21-2015, 12:04 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-21-2015, 12:19 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 05-21-2015, 12:23 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - PhilHos - 05-21-2015, 12:47 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-21-2015, 01:22 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-21-2015, 01:50 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-21-2015, 02:06 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-21-2015, 12:29 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Bengalboy - 05-21-2015, 06:57 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-22-2015, 10:15 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-22-2015, 11:13 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-22-2015, 11:35 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - bfine32 - 05-25-2015, 05:05 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - J24 - 05-26-2015, 07:28 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-26-2015, 09:03 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-26-2015, 09:16 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 08:23 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 10:05 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 10:28 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 10:32 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 10:38 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 10:46 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 11:57 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 11:59 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 02:45 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 06:38 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-28-2015, 08:24 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 10:24 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - fredtoast - 05-27-2015, 10:37 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - J24 - 05-27-2015, 02:41 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - djs7685 - 05-27-2015, 02:49 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - J24 - 05-27-2015, 05:08 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-28-2015, 11:09 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Whatever - 05-27-2015, 08:45 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - J24 - 05-27-2015, 04:52 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Synric - 05-28-2015, 02:50 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 05-29-2015, 12:23 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Utts - 05-29-2015, 01:15 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - OSUfan - 05-29-2015, 05:59 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Utts - 05-30-2015, 04:59 AM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Nately120 - 06-02-2015, 04:49 PM
RE: End of the "Dalton Scale"? - Brownshoe - 06-03-2015, 12:18 AM

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