Lie: Democrats Say They're Deeply Concerned About Trump's 'Racism' On Immigration.

[GMDino]

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I read plenty.  You made a claim, it's your responsibility to actually back it up.

http://time.com/4863859/trump-voters-healthcare-reform-obamacare-poll/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/cnn-poll-tax-bill-opposition-grows/index.html
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2017-06-26/poll-president-trump-voters-oppose-his-education-agenda

Read this board. Plenty of folks who say they won't hold Trump to what he said because they never believed it.

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Why?  Maybe they accept that part, even though it's not a policy they agree on?  Adults make compromises and a good compromise leaves everyone unhappy.

And that still doesn't answer the question:  If they voted for a and b but strongly disagree with c should they just be quiet?  I say no.  I say people should be willing to admit they oppose things even from people they support.  

I'd like to think that most people would stand up to things they think are wrong.

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: "Like" the wall?  You were just talking about the wall, what else are you now referring to?  The wall is a waste in your opinion, not everyone shares that opinion.

Pick an agenda item and more people voted against it than for it (in the general election).

As to the border wall:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/351752-poll-support-drops-for-deportation-border-wall
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/344631-rasmussen-poll-most-dont-want-border-wall
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/08/25/most-americans-dont-want-the-wall-dont-think-mexico-will-pay-for-it-and-dont-believe-it-will-happen/?utm_term=.a296e6f317ca
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/24/trump-says-his-base-really-wants-a-border-wall-polls-show-most-americans-dont/?utm_term=.69dee7ab025e

It's an ego trip that is a waste of time and money.

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Incorrect (so much for 100% accuracy).  If this was true this wouldn't be a topic of discussion.  The Dems can stimie anything they want on the Senate, and they have chosen, apparently, to shut down the federal government in an effort to protect people in the country illegally.  Whatever your feelings on this topic, the fact remains that they are willing to harm US citizens for people who are in the country illegally.

I thought you read a lot?

(01-17-2018, 12:36 PM)GMDino Wrote: As you say, the Democrats are in the minority.  Not much they can do but try to point out how bad an idea/bill/suggestion is.  The GOP has control and can do as they please for the most part.

But my question remains the same:  Do I have to not try and stop a stupid thing simply because the party I belong to is in the minority?  

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Of course "stupid" being subjective.  I consider many/most of your posts to be stupid, I'm sure you don't.

Oh, quite the contrary.  I know I've posted stupid things.  I know and admit I've been wrong, made mistakes, been confused, been corrected.  I'd bet anyone who thinks "many/most" of my posts were stupid simply disagreed more often than not.  Either way I'm not insulted or bothered by it.

I am sure it is a waste of time and is certainly a waste of money that could be put to better use elsewhere.  The majority agree with me.

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Again incorrect.  Did you fail basic civics in high school?  I ask because you seem rather ignorant of how Congress works.

The GOP can't get their own members to vote for their own agenda and they want to blame the Democrats for not helping.

That's adorable.

(01-17-2018, 12:46 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: A typical maneuver of yours, accuse others of a tactic in an attempt to invalidate the entirety of their points.  If you think I'm spinning with my straight-forward, factual, posts feel free to show how.

No...this is opinion:

(01-17-2018, 12:24 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The bottom line is this, the Dems (the minority party in every regard) are, apparently, willing to shut down the federal government, an action that will hurt US citizens, because they aren't getting what they want on the subject of people who are in the country illegally.  This is a fact, no amount of lipstick will make that pig any prettier.

And it is spin.

Your boy Trump doesn't care about anything except Trump looking good.  And he wants that ego trip wall built and he wants you to pay for it.

And he'll lie about who to blame just like he lies about almost everything else.