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(01-20-2018, 12:45 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: It's almost mind boggling that you would talk BB down while talking Tomlin up. In Cleveland, Belichick had the the Browns on the rise before Modell stepped in and moved the team. Without Brady, Belichick has done pretty well. Belichick has had 1 losing season with the Pats; his first. He's had 12+ wins in 8 consecutive seasons and he's had 10+ wins in 15 seasons. Oh yeah, almost forgot this...5 SB rings in 7 tries. 

He's KNOWN for taking "meh" guys from other teams and building championship teams with them. He's KNOWN for adapting his game plan to fit opponents week to week. 

There's no argument and there's no jury still out. Belichick is head and shoulders better than Tomlin and every other coach out there. 

As far as Tomlin developing guys to All Pro. That's not such a hard thing to do when they already have the talent when they arrive. I will tell you where he does have a problem, beside his coaching abilities on the field. He has a real problem with discipline on his team. Another thing you NEVER hear about from a Pats team. 

P.S. I'm assuming you mean Pro Bowlers. The Steelers don't have 8 All Pros this year.

Yes. You are right in regards to Pro Bowlers.

I am not talking BB down and Tomlin up, I am giving facts. My opinion is we will see what Tomlin does without Big Ben. The facts are Tomlin does not have a losing season in his career. BB has 5 losing seasons in his career. Fact is Brady does not have a losing year in his career. Fact is Brady has NEVER missed the playoffs. Fact is BB is 1 in 7 years in making the playoffs without Brady.

As for as the Browns on the rise when Modell moved them in 1996, they were 5-11[Fact] and the Bengals were 7-9[Fact]. I guess the Bengals were rising faster  [Opinion]

All this you mentioned was largely WITH Brady, as you are proving my point with your statement.

" He's had 12+ wins in 8 consecutive seasons and he's had 10+ wins in 15 seasons. Oh yeah, almost forgot this...5 SB rings in 7 tries. "

Brady's years with the Patriots are impossible to measure he is phenomenon. [Fact]