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[samhain]

(01-20-2018, 03:40 PM)jowczarski Wrote: @SunsetBengals - my bad!

@Samhain - So it was typical Marvin lip service, really.  No change in how they spend or view the outside FA process whatsoever.

Well, I think Marvin knows they need to be better on pro personnel. Like if you're going to spend $5 million on a linebacker, maybe it shouldn't be Karlos Dansby or Kevin Minter.

@TheLeonardLeap - on your Marvin Jones breakdown

Really interesting. And 100% true. They're still chasing that guy. I think TBoyd has adequately replaced Sanu, skill wise. (Now, is he mentally the same player? No. But talent wise and filling that slot role, yes). The one caveat to that is they matched the money to Jones - he decided he didn't want to be in Green's shadow. I'll be honest. I don't know if a certain amount of money would have made him come back. And at that point, if there was a "magic number" to do that, it would have been folly to pay Marvin Jones that kind of cash. I wasn't here for the Joseph thing, but didn't they extend Leon Hall after that as well?

That's true, for sure, Jim.  Honestly, I believe they need to change their approach to that position.  Maybe spend a high pick on a linebacker for the first time in a long time.  That's not something we've seen here since Maualuga and Keith Rivers, really.  If they keep missing on these guys, then draft one that can be shaped in their system.  

I think they feel like they can coach these guys that are late picks and UDFAs up to be adequate or good.  It's worked for Burfict, but he's obviously an exception because he was a first round talent with non-play related red flags.  They pay the price for those red flags somewhat often, too honestly.  Vinny Rey was a find, but he's more of a fill-in jack-of-all trades than an ideal starting NFL linebacker.