Jersusalem "off the table"

[Dill]

(01-29-2018, 05:02 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Look.  I am tired of negotiations going nowhere on a two state solution.  Israel has given in to almost every demand for only hamas to come up with more demands.    The fact is Abbas or hamas doesn’t want peace because they know that will include them no longer being in power.   They want to stay the status quo where they get our money to let their people be human shields and live in shanty towns.    

It’s clear the only solution is a one a state solution an Israel state.  They will at least build up the area as they are doing in the settlements.   The Palestinians are the only people who get upset at their neighboring country building up the land next to them.    I wish we had Israel on our southern border.  

As for your human rights comment.   I don’t want anyone to die.   But I think it’s time to let everyone know that we are moving to an Israel one state and you can either petition to join peacefully or leave.   If you stay and become a problem then you will be subjected to force.     I said the comment of letting them fight it out because I know the leaders of the palestianians would never walk away from their golden goose.   The Palestinian people only have themselves to blame as they elect terrorists and allow people like Abbas to get control who are criminals.

Just two quick points, Lucy.

1. This is a hot button issue for both of us, obviously.  But through it all, you have kept your cool and focused on the issues. Thanks for doing that.  Your last post is your most substantive, I think.

2. I think we disagree on the history of negotiations. Palestinians have come to the table again and again, and as they are doing so, the Israelis keep taking their land and bulldozing their homes.  If Israel wants to create a Greater Israel by absorbing the West Bank, then it is proceeding on schedule. The strategy is to keep building settlements while throwing impossible demands at the Palestinians. Then when they throw up their hands in frustration, the Israeli and US press speaks of Palestinian intransigence.  Without US pressure on Israel, there simply is no motivation for Israel to cut any deal or stop settlements.  The current state of Israel was wrenched from Palestinians by force, and now the West Bank is being assimilated piecemeal. 

So the Palestinians do not have only themselves to blame if a more powerful military, with US assistance, takes away their land. In the words of MLK: Time to blame the robber, not the victim.