Trump attacks protections for immigrants from ‘s***hole’ countries

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(01-31-2018, 08:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As I said, you are free to consider these members of warring tribes to not be of the same society, just don't claim "gross ignorance" when someone asserts they were all part of the same society; perhaps even the Songhai Empire.

Could be that you re using modern concepts of society or citizens to dispute the words used. 

Yea, warring sovereign political entities are not part of the same society...

And the Songhai Empire had been divided into feuding kingdoms decades before the Portuguese established a network of slave trade in Africa. 

Quote:The point made was that African people enslaved themselves and sent many of them to America where less that 100 years after our creation we fought to free them from that slavery. While another poster tried to paint our fighting for the freedom to paint the US as a Nation in a negative light.

but they didn't enslave themselves. There was no pan African identity in the 1600's. Statements like "Didn’t the African people sell off their own people" and " many African countries did to their own citizens"  are just wrong and the point they're trying to make are flawed because they depend on the faulty premise that a society committed atrocities against its own people. Warring tribes would enslave their defeated enemies. Those that supplied the vast majority of slaves to Europeans were the West African Kingdoms that rose by marrying off their daughters to Europeans, getting armed by these slavers, and enslaved people from the inland areas. Beyond the occasional criminal, societies weren't enslaving their own.

Quote:If Germans enslaved French and sold them; would it be fair to say Europeans sold their own into slavery?  

There was no shared European identity prior to the 20th century, so no. If it happened currently? Yes, they're in a political union together. There's a shared identity within that union.

 

Quote:Would you consider these tribes that rely on shared resources to be part of the same society?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/thousands-massacred-as-two-tribes-go-to-war-in-south-sudan-6286342.html

They're in the same country. Of course they're part of the same society.