Did Trump try to fire Mueller?

[Belsnickel]

(02-02-2018, 11:14 PM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Did you actually read the actual memo?  

Because it states that McCabe testified no warrant would have been sought without the Dossier.  It further states that neither the initial application, "nor any of the renewals, disclose or reference the role of the DNC, Clinton campaign, or any party/campaign in funding Steele.."

Technically, the lead paragraph says the govt had "at least four opportunities before the FISC ....[but] as described below, material and relevant information was omitted."

(02-03-2018, 12:23 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I don't think you guys read the memo very carefully. LOL at parsing "dossier" and "dossier information".

The line was "no warrant would have been SOUGHT without the Dossier".  Now maybe he's playing with words so as not to incriminate himself.    And I don't imagine anyone other than the judge could say if they get the warrant without the Dossier.....But McCabe is saying they would not have sought one without it, which would either mean no cause or just nothing else they had interesting enough to pursue.

That Dossier is your Niger yellow cake....

So, a few things on your commentary.

First, the McCabe testimony is disputed. There is disagreement over him saying that.

Second, everyone who has actually read the source material (which does not include Devin Nunes) has disputed the claims in the memo.

Third, with the renewal requests the DOJ/FBI must prove that their previous warrant has obtained information that substantiated their concerns with the initial request.

Lastly, almost every single one of the people involved in the process: the FBI officials, the FISA judges, and when Trump was in office the DOJ officials, was Republican appointed and a Republican party member.

If we want to have a conversation about the process for obtaining FISA warrants, then let's have that conversation in the public sphere. However, given that all of these people complaining about this just recently voted to renew the very laws used to obtain these warrants in such a way, this isn't the conversation being had. This is just the most ridiculous attempt to make a mountain out of what isn't even a mole hill.

I'm going to treat this conversation as what it is, an attempt to claim that there was an effort to undermine Trump. That argument falls flat on its face when the FBI handed Trump the election by disclosing Clinton's investigation and not the one into Trump's campaign, which was begun because of Papadopolous. It falls flat when you realize how many right-wing partisan actors are involved. And it falls flat when you realize that these warrants were all obtained after Page was no longer a part of the campaign. So the idea that Steele's partisan leanings should have been disclosed really is asinine when you realize that at the point this all happened Page was not associated with Trump. They actually waited until after he was gone from the campaign even though they had known of Page's dealings for years.