If He's There.....

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(03-05-2018, 09:42 PM)McC Wrote: Time will tell.   He and Mayfield are the two best.

It's all moot for us anyway but it's fun to talk about and predict.

True, we agree and disagree on things, it's just how the draft works.
I will agree that Mayfield is one of the two best though. I'd take him in a heartbeat

(03-06-2018, 09:31 AM)Au165 Wrote: Yes, but it doesn't change the fact the same thing happened to him in relation to the "hype train". Most "experts" had Wentz as a late Round 1 early Round 2 prospect in January mocks and he steadily climbed over the months leading into the combine and after. As for being extremely different, I don't think they are that different on tape. They both are big bodied QB's who can break tackles in the pocket. When they shed the tackles they keep their eyes down field and look to make a play with their arm. Where Allen got in trouble more so was not resetting his base all the time which lead to more "arm throws" rather than full body mechanic throws. 

People continue to point at the accuracy issues and while what I mentioned before is one part, the other part is his teammates frankly weren't very good. What people forget is Carson Wentz's team was the FBS champions the year before Wentz left and were in the hunt that year followed by another championship last year. The team he was working with was far better than what Allen had. Allen was constantly under pressure and had an inordinate amount of easy passes dropped which you could make the argument anyone can deal with that, but when you watch the tape it really stood out (especially the pressure right up the middle).

All this aside, he won't be there at 12 so it's moot. If a QB is there we need to ransom that pick for a haul and move back.

Very different on tape. Josh Allen is very night and day inside and outside the pocket. He excels much more outside of it, whereas Wentz was much better inside the pocket.

Okay, here's where your wrong about the "teammates" part. He was inaccurate even to open receivers. It's clear as day. Also his receivers didn't "drop balls". In 2017, his receivers dropped 12 passes. 12. Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson's receivers dropped more passes. He gets his mechanics all messy and misses a ton of "gimme" throws. His accuracy comes and goes.
Josh Allen's receivers had a drop rate of 7.84%. Rosen, Mayfield, Jackson, and Rudolph all had higher drop rate percentages.
Also, Allen makes a lot of terrible decisions. He was a turnover machine and put the ball in position for defenders to make a play on the ball against weaker competition. He attempts high risk throws quite a bit. Granted, he has an arm that can make some of those throws, there's no denying that. But his accuracy lacks in that position a lot and will be a big issue at the next level.
Oh, and his offensive line may have been an issue, but there's also MANY plays where he has protection and he just leaves the pocket or gets off schedule early through his progressions.
Allen lacks consistency with his arm talent. He arguably has the best arm in the draft, but that means little when you're so inaccurate and mechanics break down early and often. Allen leaves the pocket earlier than he should at times.

There's no denying Allen has talent. But his playing style is EXTREMELY similar to that of Jake Locker. Great arms. Athletic and can make throws out of the pocket. Evaded rushers. Keeps his head down the field to throw the ball.
But
Erratic passers that miss open receivers. Force throws. Leaves the pocket early. Progressions are very up and down. Heck, Jake Locker even got the "supporting cast" issue.

(03-06-2018, 11:36 AM)Wyche Wrote: This right here.

If he gets to us, pull the trigger.

Look up, because stats disprove that narrative. As does tape.