03-19-2018, 04:51 PM
(03-19-2018, 04:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Don't know where you got your statistics, and I don't know why you think it should be legal to murder anyone who has a criminal conviction on his record,
Oh, Fred. Why must you engage in such insane levels of hyperbole?
Quote:but what number would be enough for you? I believe there were about 12,000 gun homocides in the US last year.
Correct. Around 8k of them are criminals killed by other criminals. Around 1,500 of them were people killed by the police, the vast majority of them in "good shootings". That leaves ~2,500 non-criminals being killed every year. While certainly of no solace to the friends and family of those killed, those numbers don't justify restricting the constitutional rights of others in a nation of 330,000,000.
Quote:And why don't you care about the other 70 thousand people who were shot but did not die?
I'd be willing to bet that the same percentages hold true here as well. As for caring, of course I care about innocent people being shot, why would you infer otherwise?
Quote:And why don't you care about the hundreds of thousands of aggravated assaults and armed robberies where guns are used but never fired?
I think I've been rather consistent with my stance on criminals using firearms and the need to incarcerate them for a very long time. Please feel free to point out if I have done otherwise.
Quote:And finally, if you were allowed to legally own whatever gun you wanted to, but had to have a license to own them and had to register them would you still consider that "losing your civil rights"?
It depends. How would I get said license, What would be the requirements to acquire one? On what grounds could I be denied said license? Would I have to pay for said license? As I discussed with hollodero, in a very entertaining and illuminating back and forth, I see no difference between requiring a gun license and requiring a government issued ID at a polling station to confirm your identity. Yet many on the left vehemently oppose such an ID requirement, stating it amounts to a poll tax. So, should you have to pay to exercise your constitutional rights or not?
Quote:How many people have to die each year from gun violence before you will agree to something as minor as owner licensing and gun registration? A hundred thousand? A million? Ten million?
Is there a number of people that have to be killed by gang violence before you are willing to suspend 4A protections for known gang members?
