03-22-2018, 11:45 AM
(03-22-2018, 11:31 AM)hollodero Wrote: I don't know that seems more like your pet peeve than his :) ah doesn't matter. I don't know if what you say is totally accurate. As for this Biden thing, the only youtube clip I found right now was of Mika Brzccz...however, that Morning Joe person with the "bleeding face lift", and she clearly said that what Biden said was not ok. I honestly do not know how important Biden would be though, the words pretty much speak for themselves anyway.
Good, such things should be called out regardless of who makes them.
Quote:No one interrupted Trump's speech though. I have no personal knowledge, but I guess the outrage was far lower about people calling Obama a liar after his speeches. During the speech, that's something else, and as I said no "liberal" dared to interrupt Trump.
Trump, on the other hand, speculated that not clapping for him is treason. As soon as such words escape one's mouth, there'll be backlash and that I can not condemn. Since you did that too, I wonder what the reaction would have been if Obama had ever said something among these lines.
Trump has established an incredibly low baseline in regards to his comments. He's said such insane things that only his most egregious statements attract any real attention. Obama is a measured, articulate, guy. A "normal" statement by Trump, that would go ignored because "it's Trump" would sound insane coming from Obama.
Quote:Yeh, that's this hot iron I myself can't carry the whole nine yards like the only truely righteous person could. There's an aspect of what comes around goes around to that. By that I mean Trump sure incited violence in his speeches, either directly or indirectly (second amendment guys that could handle Hillary), aside from that he is inflammatory, he is not innocent to me. Which doesn't make calls for violence ok, don't understand me wrong.
I do not know what Snoop or Eminem said. I do know that this Ted Nugent guy still runs around, and the things this guy said are pretty outrageous. Yet Trump and others like him a big deal and show it. All I'm saying is maybe it's not just the left aisle that lacks a certain principle here.
I'm not even remotely advocating for criminal charges, I'm just asking for consistency in outrage. Nugent was torn apart by everyone but Fox. Snoop can execute a Trump lookalike in a video and you hear virtually nothing about it. A poster here once defended this by saying "Trump brings out the worst in people", which is a complete abdication of personal responsibility. Trump is responsible for he says and does and everyone else is personally responsible for their reactions to him. Trump being outrageous does not enable others to react in similar fashion.
Quote:Sure he is, but to a large extent that's on him. He called the media all kinds of abhorrent things, and these are just humans as well whose anger finds its expression in the way they report about him, and I have a hard time holding the media to a higher standard than the US president.
As soon as the media is actually lying, I do have a problem with that. I also do not like US news networks, so I do not intent to strike a blow for them. They are sensationalistic and sure over the top at times, I don't think what CNN or MSNBC is doing amounts to a scandal though. On the other hand, there's FOX news, the self-proclaimed largest most influential network, that in my view deserves way more critizism than the "mainstream" ones. But again, not a CNN fan.
I don't consider it a scandal either. I do consider it a double standard and all the news networks engage in it, even the ones that supposedly pride themselves for being non-partisan.
Quote:Hey it's not my cup of tea and you've been nothing but decent to me, but what's with the aggressive language of yours lately. Just an observation, feel free to ignore it.
It's not of late. I've always been this way, to varying degrees, to the four or so posters on this board that I hold in contempt. This contempt does not come from political differences, some of my favorite people here have little in common with me in that regard. My disdain is earned because these people routinely obfuscate, twist arguments, claim people say things they didn't and refuse to answer direct questions when they know the answers will weaken their argument. You do none of these things, just the opposite in fact, so you'll never get that reaction from me. Also, I have to deal with awful people on a daily basis and I have to do so in a calm, professional manner. Being able to respond with a little venom here is cathartic for me. Admittedly I will take it too far on occasion.
