Biden would of beat David Dennison Ass!

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(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Trump has established an incredibly low baseline in regards to his comments.  He's said such insane things that only his most egregious statements attract any real attention.  Obama is a measured, articulate, guy.  A "normal" statement by Trump, that would go ignored because "it's Trump" would sound insane coming from Obama.

Hm, that's a bit of a head scratcher for me right here. I mean, no argument about that of course, I just wonder what's the consequence of that. I don't think the understandable reaction is to apply a Trump standard to Trump and a different Obama standard to Obama just because the one is a measured guy and the other one is unhinged.
If things would sound insane coming from Obama, that's because the words are insane, not because Obama's Obama. That's why establishing a whole new low baseline looks - strange to me, as in what's the consequence of saying that.
I feel every backlash Obama would have earned Trump deserves as well. Yet I also feel that's not the truth here. Obama would have never politically survived this myriad of pussygrabbing, boyscouts-politicising [1.000.000 more examples] comments, so why does Trump, if not for a different standard applied to him because he's Trump. Factually, as if that were an excuse.

EDIT I know Trump gets all kinds of backlash from the left, and from CNN et al. - but why not from FOX and the right. On the other hand CNN et al. would have never given Obama a pass if he were just like a democrat's Trump, that I'm certain of.

(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm not even remotely advocating for criminal charges

Didn't think you were.  I meant "the right", whatever that is, doesn't call out Ted Nugent either. It's just the other side as well.

(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm just asking for consistency in outrage.

Ironically, that is just my view of everything Trump says. Consistency of outrage. Hence the thousand words I said in the paragraph above. If Obama had said it it would have been insane, if Trump says it it's the new normal. That looks so inconsistent to me.
I know that's about the promis here and not those, but still.

(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nugent was torn apart by everyone but Fox.  Snoop can execute a Trump lookalike in a video and you hear virtually nothing about it.  A poster here once defended this by saying "Trump brings out the worst in people", which is a complete abdication of personal responsibility.  Trump is responsible for he says and does and everyone else is personally responsible for their reactions to him.  Trump being outrageous does not enable others to react in similar fashion.

Great, now I watched a Snoop Dogg video, the things I do for these boards. In fairness, it seems like he didn't actually shoot the clown :) nah, that doesn't make it right. That video's certainly bad taste. I do wonder (and I don't know) how important of a cultural figure Snoop Dogg is though. I only knew this guy as someone who made taking drugs into some kind of art form, but I saw him as a clown who's pretty much irrelevant. Well, maybe he's not. Otherwise, I would refrain from making a huge deal out of anything someone not so relevant does somewhere.

As for the other part, I really see both sides here. I sure see your side, and Trump can never be an excuse for any misconduct. But Trump does indeed bring out the worst in people, *cough* Breitbart *cough*, that's what all the right-wing populists do and that's one of the main reasons I loathe them so much. I don't mean it as an excuse for those people left or right, but it's also not one for Trump.

(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I don't consider it a scandal either.  I do consider it a double standard and all the news networks engage in it, even the ones that supposedly pride themselves for being non-partisan.

I guess I would disagree on some more detailed level, but overall, I can see your point. And they most certainly are not "non-partisan" when it comes to Trump, at least most of the anchors, who seem to define the spin of the news hour.
It's tough for me to say because US news are so fundamentally different from Austrian news that it's a whole strange new world for me to begin with. It's all bizarre to me.

(03-22-2018, 11:45 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's not of late.  I've always been this way, to varying degrees, to the four or so posters on this board that I hold in contempt.  This contempt does not come from political differences, some of my favorite people here have little in common with me in that regard.  My disdain is earned because these people routinely obfuscate, twist arguments, claim people say things they didn't and refuse to answer direct questions when they know the answers will weaken their argument.  You do none of these things, just the opposite in fact, so you'll never get that reaction from me.  Also, I have to deal with awful people on a daily basis and I have to do so in a calm, professional manner.  Being able to respond with a little venom here is cathartic for me.  Admittedly I will take it too far on occasion.  

OK :)
I hereby choose to not get further into it.