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The left doesn't want to take your guns!
(04-06-2018, 04:21 AM)Dill Wrote: That is because requiring a voter ID does prevent people from voting, disproportionately minorities. In any case, apples and oranges.

Check page 15 of US vs State of North Carolina Board of Elections 2016
http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs,
even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to
DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A.2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs
used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians  were more likely to possess.

Voter Identification Laws and the Suppression of Minority Votes

http://pages.ucsd.edu/~zhajnal/page5/documents/voterIDhajnaletal.pdf
Focusing on the validated vote in recent elections using the Cooperative Congressional Election Study we are able to offer a more definitive test. The analysis shows that strict photo idenfication laws have a differentially negative impact on the turnout of Hispanics, and race Americans in primaries and general elections. Voter ID laws skew democracy in favor of whites and those on the political right.

E.g., in some places such laws can depress Asian American voting by 12.1 points.

Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppression-wisconsin-election-2016/
After the election, registered voters in Milwaukee County and Madison’s Dane County were surveyed about why they didn’t cast a ballot. Eleven percent cited the voter ID law and said they didn’t have an acceptable ID;
of those, more than half said the law was the “main reason” they didn’t vote. According to the study’s author, University of Wisconsin-Madison political scientist Kenneth Mayer, that finding implies that between 12,000 and 23,000 registered voters in Madison and Milwaukee—and as many as 45,000 statewide—were deterred from voting by the ID law. “We have hard evidence there were tens of thousands of people who were unable to vote because of the voter ID law,” he says.

While I am a person that is against any law that disenfranchises citizens. I'm actually in the process of a push for an end to felony disenfranchisement. However, using the right to vote and the right to own a firearm as a comparison is not an apt one based on the current legal framework that exists. Our judicial system currently sees voting as more of a privilege than a right. They have not recognized an actual positive right to vote that exists in the Constitution. They recognize that there are certain things that cannot be used to disenfranchise individuals, but that is not the same. On the other hand, the right to own a firearm has, since Heller, been viewed as an individual, positive right guaranteed by the Constitution.

This isn't to say that certain gun control restrictions aren't possible. Since Heller, the courts have been reluctant to get any more specific on what this means and disqualify gun control laws that could possibly be seen unconstitutional, now. Right now we are in legal limbo with the 2nd because the individual right to own a firearm is only 10 years old and this current court isn't willing to pick it back up and define it any further.
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RE: The left doesn't want to take your guns! - Belsnickel - 04-06-2018, 08:55 AM

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