AD better deep ball than u think

[Shake n Blake]

(04-12-2018, 12:47 PM)PDub80 Wrote: One link... I provided a bunch over multiple posts and from different sources covering multiple seasons for Dalton.

Also, are you dropping the QB and receiver must be equally good BS? I didn't see a response from my post #129.

Also, it's not shocking that a handful of Bengals fans think Dalton is good while the rest of the world is realistic. Every fan base has "those guys" that just fall in love with a player and stump for him. You did it for Marvin for.... 15 years.     You'll all come to the same realization on Andy as well. It just takes some a long time to learn.

You posted the following links in post #10:

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards - This one has nothing that would be relevant to a deep ball discussion.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/qbs-in-focus-deep-passing-2 - This one is only for 2014, and grades Dalton 16th in throws of 31-40 yards and 5th on 40+.

As I said in my last post "maybe I missed links you posted later". I did. You posted the following links after that:

https://brickwallblitz.com/2017/03/26/the-2016-17-deep-ball-project-13/
https://brickwallblitz.com/2018/03/28/the-2017-18-deep-ball-project/
https://brickwallblitz.com/2015/04/29/the-best-deep-ball-quarterback-of-2014-part-13/
https://brickwallblitz.com/2016/06/09/the-best-deep-ball-quarterback-of-2015-part-13/

These are all from a blog that I've never heard of, written up by one guy who does all the grading. 

In 2014, he ranked Dalton 7th in deep passing with a C- grade
In 2015, he gave Dalton a B
In 2016 he gave Dalton a C-
In 2017 he had Dalton at 23rd...somehow better than Wentz, Stafford and Carr. Truly Puzzling, as Dalton was awful on deep throws last year, and I know Wentz was pretty fantastic.

So you have one useless link, one from a pretty respected source that rates Dalton fairly high on throws of 31+ (for that one year), and finally - links from a blog that seem to show a lot of variation, with grading done by some guy. Good years, ok years, bad years (like any QB). Nothing terrible overall though. 

The worst part of all this is that you previously ripped me for using 21-30 yard throws in my stats (I later removed them), yet you're providing all these links to this brickwall guy that is using all throws of 16+ yards to grade "deep" passing. 

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If you have any links that show Dalton has been even "semi" consistently bad in the 31+ yard category (not just for 1 year), please share. This seems to be your opinion, and thus far you haven't provided any links that back your case. I am open to changing my opinion, but I'm going to need to see some very strong evidence, considering the base stats are so good.

And fwiw, I love base stats, because they're actual production that really happened. If Dalton sucked on deep throws, those base stats would eventually reflect that. Even AJ Green can't suddenly jump 10 feet or run at 40 mph to catch up to a poorly thrown ball. It has to be in his vicinity. He's not superhuman.