04-17-2018, 09:36 PM
(04-17-2018, 05:51 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: It is like when you cherry picked two stats for Kirkpatrick in 2015 and said he was a good corner that year. You forgot to mention his 15 penalties that year which were at least 10 above average,.
A lot is made about the nuber of penaties he draws, but when you look at CBs and penalties many times the best CBs in the league are also among the most penalized. For example
...2017 Dre had 7 penalties. There were 23 other CBs who had at least 7 penalties (including William jackson and Josh Shaw). The league leader among CBs was All-Pro Marcus Peters with 9. Fellow All Pros Xavier Rhodes and Patrick Peterson also had 7 penalties just like Dre.
...2016 Dre had 9 penalties. Only 7 CBs had as many as 9 penalties that year, but All Pro Patrick Peterson and A.J. Bouye (who got a $5 yr $68 million contract based on his '17 performance) had more penalties that Dre. Xavier Rhodes, Richard Sherman, and Pro Bowler Vontea Davis all had just one fewer penalty than Dre.
...2015 Dre led all CBs with 13 penalties, but All Pro Aqib Talib was second, Xavier Rhodes was 3rd, Richard Sherman and Marcus Peters tied for 5th, Vontae Davis was 6th and Patrick Peterson 10th.
This seems to be a staistical anomaly that the best CBs would be the league leaders in penalties, but I think it has to do with the fact that they are close enough to receivers to make those tight plays that draw penalties. The guys that can't cover don't end up attempting as many plays on the ball.
(04-17-2018, 05:51 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: if added to his stop rate and yard per play it would plummet him, from 30 out of 110, to 90 out of 110, on both.
According to ProFootballOutsiders his stop rate against the pass was 18th in the league. He had a horrible stop rate against the run, but that was only 11 total plays in 16 games. Still just dropped himto 43rd overall.
And his "yards per play" against the pass was 28th. Terrible yards per play on 11 runs dropped him to 53rd overall.
Don't see how that drops him to #90. Especially since he was 32nd in success rate and top 25 in completion percentage allowed.
(04-17-2018, 05:51 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: got picked on more than almost any corner in the league
Not Dre's fault that PacMan was a top 4 CB in the league that year.
(04-17-2018, 05:51 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: had a PFF score that ranked him almost last in the league. Now 2015 PFF still was using a fairly accurate formula.
Wrong. PFF was usuing a formula that would allow a player to be ranked behind another who both played fewer snaps and messed up more often.
But another big problem was the subjective part of the grading. Two players could both do their job on a play but one would get subjective "bonus points".
