Felon Disenfranchisement

[Dill]

(04-20-2018, 04:43 AM)"--JustWinBaby Wrote: If you're going to make a point on socioeconomic factors, then you actually agree with me.   But you still can't take back the fact you made this about race, until you got called on it, but the facts are not on your side.

I have ZERO respect for people who race bait on the basis of ignorant facts.  ZERO.   You seem like a decent, intelligent person....but I'm literally ***** disgusted by what you've posted in this thread.  It's hateful and ignorant.

Go ahead and ban me.  It needed to be said.

While we are on the subject of "facts," I am the one who "made it about race," not Bpat.   

Such surprising and garbled claims here.  You call upon a standard of "informed objectivity," then emote up and down the the thread (WOW!!) in hyperbolic, imprecise, and accusatory rhetoric. What are "ignorant facts"?  Can data and statistical analysis really be "hateful and ignorant"?  You "needed" to say you have "zero respect for people who race bait. ZERO." but felt no need to define what you mean by such terms or why they apply to felony disenfranchisement, which courts have consistently found to be racially biased.  Your "disgust" finally over the top, you will risk banning to speak your feelings to power.  

So who in the world here can be "race baiting on the basis of ignorant facts" or posting "rampant ignorant racism"? 

You made one fact-based claim regarding the proportion of white/black voters disenfranchised--more total white voters are disenfranchised than black in two states, so how can a law which does that be racist? The fallacy in this point--namely the assumption that blacks and whites vote equally Democrat and Republican--has been rebutted by at least four people. And you have not acknowledged, let alone addressed, the rebuttal, or the woefully underdeveloped conception of racism underpinning your point. You have not considered whether race-based disenfranchisement might be greater problem in some states and not others, and why, and whether a host of other factors might be involved as well, like selective designation of which crimes are felonies and race-based re-enfranchisement. You don't cite any specific case/example or legal/historical precedent  or any research whatsoever to support your claims.
 
Hard to imagine how social scientists or the courts could address this topic in a manner which you would not call "race baiting."

But address it they do. One thinks here of the The Sentencing Project, for example, which not only tracks felony disenfranchisement but produces the research used to change racially discriminatory laws. https://www.sentencingproject.org/publications/6-million-lost-voters-state-level-estimates-felony-disenfranchisement-2016/

One also thinks here of the recent push in Florida to retract racially discriminatory disenfranchisement laws put into effect in the 19th and early 20th century specifically to limit black voting and STILL IN EFFECT. http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/florida-voters-can-kill-racist-felon-voting-ban-on-november-ballot-10019784.  A reminder of why we need to understand the past--because it is still with us.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/the-slave-power-behind-floridas-felon-disenfranchisement/552269/

This (now stalled) push was spurred in part by court rulings like Hand v Scott https://www.scribd.com/document/370550182/James-Michael-Hand-v-Gov-Rick-Scott-State-of-Florida.  One problem addressed in that decision was selective re-enfranchisement white felons. e.g. ones who claimed to have voted for Rick Scott.
So many other bits and pieces one could add here--Florida attempted to purge 48,000 disenfranchised felons from its list of registered voters in 2004, half of them African American, but was halted by legal "race baiters" who could cite case after case of black voters falsely designated felons just before the election--as had also happened in 2000, when Gore lost by 537 votes. 

Comparatively, states like Maine and Vermont do not have a problem of racially biased voter disenfranchisement, Florida does EVERY ELECTION CYCLE.  So say the disgusting, uninformed, hateful, race-baiting state/federal courts and the DOJ.