Who do you think will have a better future in the NFL at QB?

[*PhilHos*]

(09-03-2015, 12:03 PM)djs7685 Wrote: The only year that I saw clear improvement was 2014 to be honest with you.

Then you weren't looking close enough. 

(09-03-2015, 12:03 PM)djs7685 Wrote: In 2011, I actually considered Andy to be a good QB. I told all my friends to watch out because when this kid improves, you're looking at the face of the franchise. Well, he looked eerily similar in 2012 and then again in 2013. The only difference in 2013 was the talent around him jumped by a bit and it seemed like Gruden pulled out an entirely different offensive scheme for that season. Andy was talented enough to put up reasonable stats in 2013 though, so I do give him credit for that. IMO, put those same guys and the same scheme around him in 2012 and he puts up those same statistics. Like I said, I didn't see a drastically different QB as much as I saw different playmakers and scheming. Andy is talented enough to put up numbers when you put good players around him with a solid gameplan.

Maybe they changed the scheme because Dalton had IMPROVED enough to put more on his plate? Did that thought occur to you? 

And I wouldn't say he looked "eerily similar in 2012" to 2011. In fact, i saw a guy trying to do MORE in 2012. Hence the increased attempts at plays that turned into INTs that in 2011 he would've thrown away. I'm not saying this qualifies as an improvement, BTW, but it's ridiculous to think that Dalton looked like the same QB in 2012 as he did in his rookie year.

(09-03-2015, 12:03 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Andy looked very good for a rookie in 2011 IMO, but he never really improved (much) on his areas of weakness. He looked uncomfortable in the pocket for his first 3 years and his velocity on certain routes has always been a huge question mark. The seemingly random poor decision making has also stuck with him this entire time.

No one has said Andy still doesn't have room for improvement. Yeah, there are some areas that seem to be the same (and some arguably worse). How does that mean he hasn't improved in other areas? Peyton Manning's biggest weakness has always been that if the defense moves and shifts a lot prior to the ball snapping, he struggles. He's struggled with this for his entire career. Wouldn't you say he's improved in other areas, though? (BTW, I did the Peyton comparison just to piss some people off.  )

(09-03-2015, 12:03 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I wouldn't call myself an extremist just because I'm looking past the stats and speaking purely of what I've seen in the games over the last 4 years. It's not a huge knock on Andy because he's still a decent QB and could break out this year, he just didn't drastically improve as some want to make it seem by posting nothing but stats. I'm not saying he was the 100%, exact QB in each year with no changes whatsoever, but I didn't see much improvement on his weaknesses until just a year ago.

I never called nor implied you were an extremist, however, there's no denying that Dalton has improved in some areas and needs improvement in other areas. You can argue that he hasn't improved in some areas at all, but that's a different argument.