The Iran deal

[hollodero]

(05-08-2018, 05:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: That's a bit simplified. I'm not saying I disagree, but the deciding factor is the majority party in Congress. If it's the same as the president, then, yes, that president will pretty much get his way. But, yes our 2 political parties seem to be getting farther apart ideologically and if you don't like president A, wait 4-8 years for president B.

Right, it's a bit simplified, but that's the world's perspective. But sure, "lame duck" presidents are less free in their decisions, but that's not what you have right now, so. I can't really find a major disagreement in our views.

(05-08-2018, 05:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, you only think the Republican party is the problem because your ideology aligns more with the Democrats.

That's fair to mention. But this is not about domestic ideologies like healthcare, taxes, immigration, abortion etc., I tried to blend that out. But at least in younger history, members of the republican party appear as the more undiplomatic ones, and those that honor agreements less, those who are more willing to tell the world that they don't matter.
It was Bush who more or less lied to the world about Iraq and weapons of mass destruction, who tolerated torture and implemented Guantanamo, where the principles of democracy and a lawful state were abandoned (again, our perspective). And it is Trump that tears up the Iran deal. Democrats, presidents or in Congress, don't really do that kind of stuff and appear way more constructive.

(05-08-2018, 05:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: BOTH parties are part of the problem. Trump may be the least diplomatic president we've ever had, that doesn't mean that all Republican presidents have and/or will be horrible diplomats.

Of course not. There always were great, honest, dignified republicans who I guess would make fine presidents. I'd be hard pressed to find them right now, but in principle, sure. It's just how it looks right now, that a democrat in office is more reliable and more wiling to take the diplomatic approach, while republicans are more hawkish. A John Bolton couldn't be a democrat, a John McCain was the prototype of typical republican warmongering - at least from what we saw. These figures hardly exist on the other side, and I'd also think it very unlikely there will ever be a blue Trump. So yeah, that's most certainly how it looks, if it's entirely fair to see it that way is up for debate.