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The Iran deal
(05-08-2018, 12:34 PM)hollodero Wrote: Disclaimer, I'm not an expert on the deal, chances are it's a flawed one, I wouldn't dare say.

But if Trump blows it up today, that would be a severe sign to the world that a contract with the US isn't worth negotiating in the first place.
It would mean your political parties stand so fundamentally opposed that one can't reach an agreement with the USA, just with one of your parties. With great chances the other party doesn't respect it, based on facts or just based on principle.

I also would expect this a weakening of Trump's position towards North Korea, because what exactly should Kim fancy about any agreement that might not be worth the time and the paper to begin with. Similar goes for other countries like Europe. Trump would severly insult allies and there just can't be any other reaction as regarding the US as an unreliable player that can no longer be trusted. (The Kurds tell us that for a long time now.) I don't want to overstate things, but I can't see any other reaction.

I'm certain the US can still bully through and be fine, but nevertheless I believe the US would weaken itself for the foreseeable future on the world stage. It would also make the world less safe. For starters, I can't imagine Iran not trying to get the bomb as soon as possible after that one, other countries probably following that path.

Discuss :)

The political leaders knew up front this deal could be short lived as not endorsed the proper way by Congress. So, I respectfully disagree, the POTUS can't make rogue deals and not be held accountable when they are undone the same way they were done, by circumventing Congress.

I remember the articles when it was signed, the EU and Iran were warned this agreement was not done correctly to not be easily undone (stroke of a pen method Obama used to sign it in first place).
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The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 12:34 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 01:39 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 03:32 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 05:34 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 07:08 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - Dill - 05-08-2018, 08:16 PM
RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-08-2018, 06:42 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - hollodero - 05-10-2018, 05:08 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - GMDino - 05-10-2018, 05:47 PM
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RE: The Iran deal - Dill - 05-11-2018, 05:58 PM
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