Trump, Kim sign "comprehensive" document

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(06-14-2018, 07:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think you're missing the point. You're just going on and on about why Trump is a bad President by your standards and my point was he knows exactly what he is doing. Also "because of guys like you" many fence riders are moved to his side because of the constant rancor displayed by the opposition. For instance I've never worn an item of MAGA in my life, but if this forum ever had a get together I'd most likely be decked out in it just to see the heads explode.

A guy who did not know about the one China policy or the nuclear triad, and who thinks we should have "taken the oil" knows exactly what he was doing?

YOUR standard is the issue here--embodied in the claim that Trump knows what he was doing because he landed in the White House. So his "ways have proven successful" even if tweets sexist insults to women. Most Trump opponents like myself will grant that he knew how his base "works" when he called Mexicans rapists and demanded a Muslim ban. No one disputes that. Landing in the White House, with some help from Comey and Putin, proves that. Sort of. But that this "worked" doesn't mean it was good for the country and it doesn't mean he knows how to manage the Korean problem, or how to coordinate trade with allies, or lead his party in Congress to get bills passed. And that is what people are talking about when they say he doesn't know "how things work."  

Fence riders are not "moved to his side" because Trump is criticized for behaving badly.  There is NO EVIDENCE of this whatsoever. No sensible person says "Gee, I think paying off porn stars from slush funds funded by Russian oligarchs is really bad; and I don't like how Trump insults veterans and our allies, ignores the Russian threat, picks bad advisors and treats them badly, and is fouling up years of achieved diplomacy, but by god I am going to vote for him if people don't stop complaining about his daily insults to world leaders, celebrities, and ordinary people; I don't care if four more years of Trump hurts the country."  No doubt, many long time members of the party of family values are tired of hearing about the daily sleaze and missteps, but at least 15% of them remember they were once the party of personal accountability and know better than to blame the messenger. 

The Trump defenders have made a choice--and it stresses them because their guy makes their party--and their judgment--look bad and dems look good. CNN and MSNBC run hilarious montages of Republicans criticizing Obama for a WILLINGNESS to talk to Kim or running the most scandal ridden administration ever. Not to mention footage of cabinet members one by one praising and thanking the president for the privilege of serving him. Hence the rampant false equivalence and all the effort to disconnect assessment of Trump from his actual performance in office and the gaslighting. (I just watched he WH press secretary explain why Democrats are the reason children of refugees are now separated from their mothers at the border). His promises and unverified claims get to count as "accomplishments." God uses "imperfect tools" to achieve his plan, which includes large tax cuts for the top 1%.

Some voted for Trump because they too did not know about the one China policy or the nuclear triad, and because they too thought it "made sense" to keep the oil, (not to mention build the wall). 'Bout time we had a STRONG leader. And so they take it personally when he is called out for not knowing how things work--"shaking things up" or "going against the establishment" as they put it. They wish the "fake news"/free press would shut up about all that. If Trump makes it to 2020, they are going vote for him again just to see liberals heads explode. 

Not criticizing Trump isn't going to fix this national mess. If anything might push some fence riders over it is reminding people of what they once claimed to stand for; this is a better option than helping people get comfortable with bad choices.