Despite the detractors, Trump doing well

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(07-05-2018, 05:33 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Did you guys really waste a day trying to explain to someone why something isn't "objective" if they're defending it with "I" statements?

On a related note, since the thread was derailed by insincere attempts to suggest there's no legitimate criticism of Trump, what is he "doing well" as suggested in the thread title?

I'm not sure if it was a day wasted as I was inside beating the heat until a cookout planned for later in the day. But to your question Yes Matt did try to suggest that objective would have to be something "he" would not be able to deny.

(07-04-2018, 08:18 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Being a part of TPP can be good or bad depending on your economic viewpoint. This is why that is a subjective thing. For free-market conservatives and neo-liberals, forming those free-trade agreements is a good thing economically. We haven't seen any data showing a measurable impact on our economy from not being a part of the TPP either way. So we lack any objective measure to say whether it was good or bad.

You're right, though, that I could find lots of ways to not give him credit for a great many things. This is why my request was for something objective, because something objective would mean that I would be unable to not give him credit. Subjective things can go either way, and in multiple ways quite often. For instance, the TPP situation is one in which I could have said that he gets no credit for pulling out of those negotiations because Clinton would have done the same were she elected based on what she said, and there is a great possibility that the agreement would not have passed muster for congressional approval. So him doing it wasn't really a big deal.

What I will give him credit for with the TPP thing, though, is that it is one populist policy that he actually held to. He campaigned with a populist message and then abandoned those he gained with that message almost immediately. But not on the TPP thing.

But I really don't think you should be so passively aggressive toward him; as we were having a rather civil discussion; although he did keep accusing me of putting words in his mouth and I kept asserting that objective would have to be without personal bias. But you should probably apologize to him for chiming in with no other intent than to call him out in such a manner.

If anyone suggests there is not legitimate criticism of Trump then they are every bit as deranged as any suggesting he hasn't done one thing. good. 

As to your query you would have to read the link from the OP. It points to satisfaction about the economy, unemployment, and international trade among other things