Trump Slams Allies in favor of Putin (again)...

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(07-11-2018, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yes, he did put sanctions in place.  Do you think Putin didn't know that would be the extent of it and didn't care at all?  So, for some temporary sanctions, that won't affect him personally at all, he annexed a huge chunk of territory from another country.  A very valuable strategic piece of territory.  I'm sure those sanctions really put the squeeze on him.

As I said, many of the complaints were that we didn't do "more".  What "more" is no one wants to say other than sanctions were not "enough".  I suppose they want a war?  when the folks who talk about start signing up I'll support that option.

(07-11-2018, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Obama was weak on foreign policy, as I said (in a post that wasn't directed at you).  He was great with allies and dismissed by foes.

Yeah...remember when the right went on and on about the "Obama apology tour"?  That was good times.  Not that Trump bending over every time Putin is mentioned is the same though.  

All seriousness aside Obama did not have a great track record with foreign affairs.  He also wasn't as "limited" as Trump is so the prospects of his "tough talk" doing anything is just folly.

(07-11-2018, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: This is part of your problem.  You see a logical argument about why or how something happens as a "defense".  It's an explanation.  This must be why you divide the world into Trump opponents and Trump supporters. 

Except it is just a "defense" when it is compared to Obama.  There is nothing given about Trump's own policies or results that is used to defend him.  Just that Obama was bad too.  I offered example as support of my contention that Obama was harder on Russia than Trump and why it wasn't seen as enough by some.

Trump supporters say: He does things his way...which is better than Obama.  That's it.

(07-11-2018, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: After he got the consultation what did he do?  Oh yes, sanctions.  They were very effective as Russia has returned the Crimea to Ukraine.

Again, give us an alternative.  

Some might call diplomacy "weak".  Some think an unthinking "man" who makes deals out of thin air is "strong".  When I see results we can compare them.

(07-11-2018, 11:28 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: What if he does?  He doesn't have the power to unilaterally carry them out if they are of any real significance.  Face facts, Putin played Obama, got everything he wanted and lost nothing.  Russia can't be sanctioned in any meaningful way as Europe is severely dependent on Russia for energy.  Putin knows all of this.  Maybe Trump can do better, maybe not.  None of that changes that Obama's policy towards Russia was an abject failure in every way possible.  But "reset button'!

Fact is at least something was done without the POTUS siding with Russia over our allies.

Fact is Trump is "limited" in is abilities and his defenders simply toss that aside because Obama didn't do "enough".  That's just an excuse.