Helsinki--the Tipping Point?

[hollodero]

(07-17-2018, 08:57 PM)Dill Wrote: So you are saying no tipping point?

I don't know. To me, that depends on the bfines, Sunsets and SSF's etc. of this world, figures I of course regard as some kind of allegoric entities representing a certain part of America. Yeah not really, they are just dudes with brains, but I guess those will decide Trump's fate in the end. If they start to fully turn against him, the electoral majority will slip.

Will they turn? I doubt it. There's still Maxine Waters, and that would be what they'd have to turn to. And tomorrow Trump maybe bombs some bad folks that more or less deserve it, and Helsinki will be past and you and I are back to being called deranged again. It's not like Trump didn't go that route with Putin before. He already said that it could also have been Tschaina, that Putin assured him he didn't do it and that he gets offended by the allegations by now. Those statements probably aren't that much less worse, but pretty much forgotten still.

All the "deplorables" who do know exactly what Breitbart is are lost anyway. I see the "he could shoot a guy (or Comey) and not lose support" as pretty much accurate for those people. The narrative that the real crazy america-hating enemy is within the own country and votes blue runs far too deep and beats every possible argument from the start. I'm sure Breitbart etc. will soon discover that Russia is good, the radical leftists+MSM+deep state is hateful and warmongering and that's that. Good enough for sure.

(07-17-2018, 08:57 PM)Dill Wrote: Remember, Trump hit bottom at Helsinki like never before;

Remember, the same was true in several instances before. And people always tought that's it. From Grabbing to Charlottesville etc. Always rock bottom, never a real problem.

(07-17-2018, 08:57 PM)Dill Wrote: no president has ever stood beside an adversary who attacked the US and sided with him against our own intel services; no one can equivocate this with a "whataboutObama?", who never sank that low or appeared so plainly out of his element. And on the issue of national security no less, after ignoring his own staff and advisors. His credibility as deal maker and "strong" politician has been irreparably damaged, and the gaslighting today finally looked like just that to some supporters.  The bullying will continue when opportunity presents itself, but only a Churchill style wartime performance could repair the tough man rep now.  You don't think that might peel away a significant percentage of his base--say 10%?

I don't know. I agree with your perception of Trump, but Helsinki didn't really alter or change my mind about him to begin with. What drives those who didn't share our perspective on him before, I dare not say.

(07-17-2018, 08:57 PM)Dill Wrote: I see an effort to repair Trumpworld, stitching back together all that Congressional support, disparaging the press, leading supporters in "build the wall" chants; but it will be weaker, even on Fox, whose commentators have had a glimpse now of what could go wrong for the party, how things could get worse, with no one but Trump himself to blame.

Then again, foxy lady and her friends had to sit through an awful, cringeworthy live interview with Trump and still managed to not be forever shamed and disgusted. And who gets through that can get through anything to come through for Trump.